Why should we have debt forgiveness? It's your debt, you caused it.
Then the same should have been true with corporate debt when the debt of the banks and the auto companies were bailed out.
The odd notion of "too big to fail" led inevitably to the idea of "too small to fail."
Lady Macbeth had the only answer when Macbeth asked her "What if we fail?"
She replied, "We fail."
"Then the same should have been true with corporate debt when the debt of the banks and the auto companies were bailed out."
I agree but I think that's the only good point that these protesters have. All the other stuff that I've read that they want are not even the bit realistic.
And on another note...
I saw these people protesting inside a citibank who then say "the pigs mistreated us, shame, shame, shame." You can't go inside a bank(or any other place) and make a scene and start a protest inside of a place.
Do you really think the cops want to deal with this nonsense?
Updated On: 10/16/11 at 11:30 AM
I've said it before: If you judge any populist movement on the actions of the most extreme participants, you miss the overall message.
Occupy Madrid:
From Saturday Night Live last night:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/16/snl-bloomberg-occupy-wall-street_n_1013400.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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Write Makes Right!
occupywriters
Love that list of writers. Considering joining myself.
Here's a wonderful middle-of-the-road appreciation from Susie Orman, who thanks Occupy movement for changing the status quo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suze-orman/occupy-wall-street-approv_b_1005128.html
The Occupy Movement: What Democracy Looks Like
Article detailing the amazing ways the movement is organizing itself:
http://www.truth-out.org/occupy-movement-what-democracy-looks/1319487235
Chomsky at Occupy Boston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olxp34z_Mns
I wish I'd been there.
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Also, police in Albany refused the mayor and governor's orders to arrest 700 Occupiers there. An unnamed state official (aren't they all?) told RawStory: “We don’t have those resources, and these people were not causing trouble. The bottom line is the police know policing, not the governor and not the mayor.”
Oh, and it's day four of the Occupy Police movement!
Keith Boykin went to Zucotti Park and posted on Huffington Post that "Everything The Media Told You About Occupy Wall Street Is Wrong":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/occupy-wall-street-media_b_1019707.html
Thanks for posting that PJ!
The Occupy LA folks are going to protest at an Obama fundraiser tonight. They are occupying a median at Highland and Wilshire - which should be in the path of the Presidential Motorcade.
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"The Occupy LA folks are going to protest at an Obama fundraiser tonight"
But, but, but . . . the occupiers are all supposed to be Obamabots!
I'm so confused - it's almost like I can't believe what the media tells me - and I KNOW that can't be true!
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Did Goth vanish from BWW after he said Occupy is protesting the wrong things?
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I watched the TV news helicopter footage of the police behind barricades shooting flash bang grenades at the protesters in the street. A spokesperson claims they did not shoot any flash bang grenades, it must have been fireworks protesters threw at the police. But you can SEE the police shooting the canisters and rubber bullets into the crowd. Why? Because the mayor of Oakland thought it was better to shoot at citizens that have them sleep in a park. One witness said a group found a young woman on the ground bleeding profusely and when they went back to carry her out a flash grenade was shot at them, it landed near the woman's head and blew up in her face. Why? Because she might have gone on to sleep in a park overnight.
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"Fed up with petty crime, the all-night racket of beating drums, the smell of human waste and the sight of trampled flowers and grass, police and neighbors are losing patience with some of the anti-Wall Street protests around the U.S."
This is the first paragraph of what the AP put out last night, which is being carried pretty much across the board (I linked to NPR's site) - and it's the type of thing that's framing a lot of public opinion.
Link to article.
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"Fed up with petty crime, the all-night racket of beating drums, the smell of human waste and the sight of trampled flowers and grass, police and neighbors are losing patience with some of the anti-Wall Street protests around the U.S."
This is the first paragraph of what the AP put out last night, which is being carried pretty much across the board (I linked to NPR's site) - and it's the type of thing that's framing a lot of public opinion.
Link to article.
Ironic that if it read:
"Faced with grand theft from wall street bankers and investment houses, all night construction noise of Mega-Mansions, the smell of sewage in the river, fracking residue in the drinking water, and the facts of a contaminated food supply, most in today's two major political parties looked at corporate america, said "Pay me more" and then when paid, looked the other way.
Why is that not a headline?
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I'd love some independent verification of this "smells like poop" meme that appeared out of nowhere in the Post and was repeated by Roxy last week. (Proof it must be true!) The Occupy nearest me smells just fine.
As Naomi Klein points out, the first amendment guaranteeing the right of assembly supersedes local zoning ordinances in public parks, and there is no guarantee in the Constitution guaranteeing a person's life will be annoyance-free when somebody else is exercising that right.
I'm not surprised the AP is posting this, nor, unfortunately that NPR is picking it up, considering much of their programming is underwritten by the benevolent Bank of America.
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The two things that stuck out to me from that AP blast were:
Burying the rebuttal in the middle of all the vitriol, which countermanded each item presented.
"Protesters disputed the city's claims about conditions at the camp. Lauren Richardson, a college student from Oakland, said that volunteers collected garbage and recycling every six hours, that water was boiled before being used to wash dishes, and that rats had infested the park long before the camp went up. 'It was very neat. It was very organized,' Richardson said."
Waiting til the end to throw in a NON-SUPPORTER'S opinion - which also contradicted the point of the article.
"'As far as protesting, that's the way to do it. They're very clean,' Segui said."
The whole thing reeks of biased manipulation. But how to break through the wall to the media-fed masses? I think the next stage needs to involve masses of people showing up for scheduled events in support of the occupiers - things like October 15th, but more of them, with more participation.
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Considering how far it's come in just over a month, and how every time there's police/government overkill from the huge threat inherent in people sleeping in parks, more people show up to exercise their rights as citizens, I think exponential growth will continue.
But you're right. There is an inordinate need for the media to protect the interests of big finance.
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Here's a sickening video shot in Oakland. The word now is that a Marine who did two tours in Iraq was hit in the head with a police-fired canister and knocked out on the street. When a group of protesters ran back to help him out, another canister was fired at them, landing near the fallen Marine. The word is that he has a fractured skull and brain swelling.
Why? Because people wanted to sleep in a park.
heart wrenching, not for the super-sensitive (like me)
And so it begins....
I am actualy tearing up over this. Why does this stink of Kent State? Oakland should be f*cking ashamed of itself! That Cop should be tried and sentenced!
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Luckily they're not using live ammo. Yet.
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