Oscars won't 'Listen' — Beyonce disqualified in song race- Page 2

[HDThoreau2]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:32pm

What?

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:34pm

I wonder why it was her that was disqualified instead of the other two lyricists. Is the Academy responsible for determining which of the writers qualifies for the award or do the studio and producers decide who should get the recognition?

[HDThoreau2]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:35pm

God Bless Jennifer Hudson.

[Plum]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:51pm

The three credited songwriters are Henry Krieger, Anne Preven and Scott Cutler. There's no way there were going to leave Krieger out, and Preven and Cutler are a songwriting team. So I guess Knowles was the odd one out. The whole thing still feels a bit odd, though.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:53pm

But didn't about 187 people get credited for the odious "Arthur's Theme" and didn't the Divine Miss M. make a reference to that when she presented?

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:56pm

It was four Namo. I posted it already. DAMN IT. And they all won that night... and you just try pulling Oscar out of any of their hands (even the dead ones) and see how far you get.


My guess is that's when they revised their rules about how many songwriters it takes to screw in a light bulb.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 6:59pm

Sorry, I missed your post. Okay, after reading the names Miss M. said, "... otherwise known as Four on A Song."

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:06pm

I'm pretty sure there are "body count" limits in the other categories as well, such as Producer (for sure, because I've read the very strict guidelines about exactly whose job can qualify officially for recognition), Editor, Visual FX, Sound, Sound FX Editing, etc.

They usually march a big team up to the podium if they win, but they only get 2 or 3 statues and "official winners" among them. All the names have to be submitted and approved in advance just to qualify as a potential nominee.

I'm sure if "Listen" wins, Beyonce will be up there with them at the podium... but she won't be grabbin' any gold.

If I were her, I wouldn't go up there. Let everybody watching wonder and ask why she isn't there getting the award.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:12pm

Whose job is it to sit around and make up ridiculous rules?

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:18pm

I think it's pretty stupid and unfair to deny someone recognition who is co-credited with doing the work.

But if you think this sucks (as I do), you should check out the idiotic Academy rules for Foreign Language film submissions and the Documentary and Short awards. They make no sense, and do more to limit and block potentially worthy material than to honor it.

There are all kinds of little "crazy" Oscar rules that most people don't know about.

It's more than just a "political" game... you have to jump some strange hurdles to qualify for nomination.

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:43pm

Oscar rules are ridiculous! This year, they are actually trying to make sure people WATCHED the movies they are voting for! Isn't that absurd? What fun is watching the Oscars if the voters are actually making informed decisions? I guess I can take comfort in the fact you don't have to watch ALL the movies in a category, just the one you vote for.

And the world of song credits is a hazy and mysterious place. Many many performers demand a co-writer credit ($$$$) to sing a song. It also plays into their aura as "Creative" types when they can claim they co-wrote one of their hits. I'm not accusing Miss Beyonce of such a thing, but it does happen.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:46pm

This year, they are actually trying to make sure people WATCHED the movies they are voting for!

Ha ha!!! Next thing, they'll be making the Tony voters see all the nominated shows!!! LOL!!!

[DAME]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:47pm

LOL!

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:51pm

The lousy part is that in the Short Subject categories, you CAN'T vote unless you sign an affidavit confirming you have seen ALL the nominees. They usually have a special screening at the Academy where they hand out the ballots for those specific categories, and only after watching ALL of them can you turn in your ballot.

But that's only for the short subject awards (animated, live, and documentary).

They can't and won't police the voting members to make sure they have seen all the "best supporting actor" (etc) nominees before voting.

Updated On: 1/2/07 at 07:51 PM

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:52pm

"I swear I have seen all the films."

Yep. Ironclad.

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:53pm

Ridiculous! I don't have to see ANY of the films to know which one I want to vote for!

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:55pm

Well, in that case, you HAVE, because they lock all of them in a screening room and show them back-to-back first. So, it's not hard to say you've seen them all.

They will allow Academy members to vote in those categories that don't attend those "marathon" screenings, as long as they sign the affidavit first.

But a lot of people just show up, hang out, and vote.

And when the final main ballot shows up at your doorstep, the short subject categories aren't listed on it.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 7:56pm

Voters still go to screenings?

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 8:07pm

Yes, but not many anymore.

"not like it was in the old days"

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 8:12pm

Hmm...

Maybe THAT's when they changed the rule? Maybe it should have just said, "If your first name is Beyonce and your last name is Knowles, you can't ever be nominated, EVER."

That's probably the rule now.

[best12bars]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 8:30pm

I do smell a rat.

In 2002 the song "The Hands That Built America" from Gangs of NY was nominated with these four songwriters: Bono; The Edge; Adam Clayton; Larry Mullen Jr.

And just last year in 2005...

# Shrek 2 (2004) - Adam Duritz (composer/lyricist); Charles Gillingham (composer); Jim Bogios (composer); David Immerglück (composer); Matthew Malley (composer); David Bryson (composer); Dan Vickrey (lyricist)
- For the song "Accidentally In Love".


So they changed the rule JUST THIS YEAR?

That really sucks.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 8:42pm

Maybe it should have just said, "If your first name is Beyonce and your last name is Knowles, you can't ever be nominated, EVER."

That made me laugh out loud, best12bars.
It does seem a bit fishy that this rule seems to come out of nowhere but that it is Beyonce the lyricist that was left out (Krieger was the only one set since he composed the music, I believe the rest are only credited as lyricists). Perhaps Beyonce did not really have much input on the song or perhaps the Academy is not eager to recognize her. Either way, it just sounds a bit absurd that they limit the number of people who can be recognized. I wonder if there'll be some controversy with Beyonce performing the song on the telecast even when she was disqualified to get nominated for co-writing it. *Sigh* Gotta love Oscar drama.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 8:43pm

This is quite disturbing.

I HATE "Accidentally In Love."

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 9:03pm

Mr. Knowles probably made sure his daughter got a songwriting credit on the album to increase her take of the royalties. The same like Madonna gets when she adds half a lyric to a song composed entirely by her "collaborators." After all, Beyonce's daddy IS listed as an executive producer on the Dreamgirls album.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/2/07 at 9:11pm

Beyonce will be thrilled about this i'm sure.
Jennifer Hudson better watch out

There it is.