Shame on Kristin Chenoweth — Page 10

Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya....

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Maybe she did it do get more Republicans to go see Broadway shows...

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Oh Lord, yes, jrb--love me, love him, want us to adopt kids (i.e. re-create their ideal marriage), but these are older, Greek-Americans, and just deeply ingrained in their beliefs. Yes, it's a barrier to that last degree of closeness, but we have a history together and I love them and they (I know) love me.
Their religion is so central to their lives, but I don't "believe". I would be hurt if they rejected me on those terms, and while it's really not fully analagous, I'm trying to say that we agree to disagree about things that are pretty major to each of us.

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I was responding to someone about the "Hate" is a very strong word. Here is my thing, I am a religionist, not a racist. I see the way middle America works, and though I did not say ALL, I see so much hypocrisy when it comes to religion. I have been on other message boards where "Christians" have spewed their hatred for certain things, such as homosexuality and atheism. If they truly believed in the Bible, they would follow it and truly "Love thy neighbor", but they don't. (Or they would follow the Bible where it tells you to stone homosexuals or any other sinner when you see them on the street - and believe it or not, that is in the New Testament after the teachings of Jesus Christ)
The sad thing about this country, is that there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State, but with Bush in office, that is a false statement. Our forefathers ran from their country to escape persecution from religion, and here we are 5 hundred and something years later, and Christianity is being forced down our throats, once again, with the Right Wing Christian Coalition taking over.
I grew up a Christian, and the Christian church I attended had no feelings for Jews, or any other religion that wasn't Christian (Baptist, Catholic, etc.)
I don't believe in Christianity. I don't believe in the Bible. What I do believe in is instinct. That is how we truly live our lives.
So, now that I have brought up the topic of religion on this board (and expect to be crucified for it)...Discuss...

(But, keep in mind, regardless of Kristin's belief's, I am a fan, and love her work. I'm seeing her at Carnegie next week.)

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Updated On: 1/16/05 at 12:01 PM

First of all, don't persecute me for my beliefs on the matter. Second, if the Pilgrims didn't come here to escape persecution, then what did they come here for? (Okay, so I said forefathers...big difference) Regardless of when the separation of Church and state was put into effect, it is overlooked, constantly.
Third, I never said I hate people who are preachy and then turn around and preach myself. What I said is that Christianity is being forced down our throats. This is proof everytime George Bush makes a speech.
Fourth, I am not telling anyone what to believe. (In other words - not preaching) I am stating my opinion.

"I don't care if you worship, God, Satan, L. Ron Hubbard or the NY Post. The biggest hypocrite here, is you. You can't defend your ridiculous rhetoric, so you'll hide behind religion???"

I think you're reading further into this than what I wrote. I must have offended you in some way.


P.S. Oops. I saw an opportunity to post an opinion, and ran with it. I'll carry the cross. But someone else will have to carry the nails.

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Updated On: 1/16/05 at 01:31 PM

Justice, no reason to apologize. what you said wasnt "hypocritical" at all, and i personally agree with you. The Christians beliefs DO condrict themselves a lot...and sorry to whoever was offended, but Justice didnt just say she hated christians, and since this is a message board there is bound to be some disagreement. jeez, no reason to jump on her.

Uh, careful when you assign bit-time religious motives to Franklin. He, like a few other Founding Fathers, was actually more of a Deist than anything else, which was a bit controversial back then. And Franklin was a big enemy of what he saw as useless doctrine- to him, religion was only as good as it was useful.

He also fought with Pennsylvania's Quaker-dominated government about the need to defend American settlements from raids (I think by Native Americans, but I'm not absolutely sure). Like I said, he liked religion as long as it was useful.

Ok, I checked online, and even went to the offical Inauguration website, and I do not ever seen Chenoweth being mentioned.

http://www.inaugural05.com/events/#calendar

The only thing I found was that the next West Wing episode is called "Inauguration" in which she guest stars in.

I'll be laughing my ass off if this rumor wasn't true and she never was going to perform in the inauguration. Talk about much ado about nothing.

And even if she does perform, which is weird that she's not even mentioned on the website, I don't know how one can really make a valid assumption that she's a homophobic ultra-conservative person by doing this. I could turn around and call her a bleeding heart liberal for doing The West Wing since the West Wing is known to be slanted towards the left. I know many of you hate Chenoweth and hate that she's Christian and loved this opportunity to bash her, but come on...

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Sweetiedarlin': I believe that the people who call themselves "christians" and are promoting the hate-filled agenda are a small percentage of the overall christian population. Unfortunately, they are extremely well-organized and have taken control of public discourse on "moral" issues. Many of my own family members voted for Bush not because they agreed with him but because, well, at least he is a Christian (who never goes to church when he isn't campaigning, btw).

Part of the problem is that, just as the Republicans have grabbed control of political discourse while the Democrats slept at the wheel, the radical right has usurped the word "christian" while the religious progressives have done little to stop them. I am forgetting who said this first, but a well-organized minority can grab power from a passive and ignorant majority. The communists in Russia were a minority, as were the Nazis in Germany.

The UCC has started to fight back, but it is up to people like you and your church to get your message out - that "christianity" doesn't equate with hating gays and subjugating women. Religious progressives need to speak out and speak loud. If this issue bothers you, you should talk to you pastor.

According to her website, there's an announcement up that she's NOT doing any performances now.