Shame on Kristin Chenoweth — Page 8

who knows she might not support gays...she is after all a woman, and def. straight, so she shouldn't have to support it.

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whomever they choose, man, woman

namo, don't you make get all santorum on ya, frothy style!

evelyn, yer a gratingly shrill pissant. lol. deal.

d, i have a such a huge man crush on ya.

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Updated On: 1/15/05 at 01:51 PM

"We hate gays cuz that's what's in right now."
----- Karen on WILL & GRACE

Papa, I'm curious if you could be friends with someone who didn't support your marriage? There are still people out there who are racist like that. They even have religious beliefs for that opinion. Could you truly be friends with someone like that? I'm not saying acquaintances. I'm saying friends.

Because, papa, Rathnait, XxVe, Joshua, and others, I do not consider ANYONE to be my FRIEND if they can not respect and support my relationships. If I had a wedding, and they would not come because they can't support that kind of thing, then we are not friends. It's not about "being gay" 24/7, it's about who I date. Who I love. Who I marry. Just like the straight folk. They don't flaunt that stuff. It just is.

This revelation came to me when I discovered that many of my college friends went from being promiscuous, pot smoking, beer drinking, bi-curious typical college students to being morally righteous, anti-gay "Christians" just because they got married, had kids, and moved to the suburbs of Dallas, TX. Oh, they still adore me. That John is SOOOO funny! But, I found out that they do not support gay marriage, hence they would not support my getting married. Hence, I'm just that funny guy who entertains them. I'm not allowed to fall in love or have sex or have a crush. I'm only allowed to be funny, dress nicely, and give good advice on paint colors and fabrics.

No thank you.

And, I can understand the furor over this. Anytime, we disagree with an artist's actions, we are allowed to protest in our own way--turn the channel, don't buy the ticket or album. THAT'S democracy in this capitalist nation. Are all of you who think one's protesting KC is "a shame" sure you aren't guilty of being turned off by a celebrity or two's thoughts? Just in the last year--did you quietly think to yourself that you would no longer or "never now" support the Sean Penns or Michael Moores of the entertainment industry?

And, the thread wasn't started over the opinion that one party's economic platform is better than the other. The thread was started over a blood and bones issue--the proliferation of discrimination in this country that was spearheaded in essence by George W Bush. He made it "ok" to consider gays and lesbians second class citizens. I don't care if he truly believes that or not (though let's talk again about standing up for what you BELIEVE in??). I care that we were used to get votes. I care that hate has become "ok" again. I care that Bush is still planning on pursuing the Amendment that would make gays and lesbians second class citizens. He has all that "political capital" now, right? The fact is that while not all Republicans are bad, the Republican party is bad--they did indeed write the most anti-gay measures into their party's platform. And, while papalovesmambo and KC may love gay people, they are supporting an administration and a party in whole that supports this hatred and discrimination. Need I remind folks that the longest standing O at the RNC was for the comment Bush made supporting "traditional marriage"?

Am I personally disappointed with a celebrity I like performing for Bush? Yes. Would I myself ever perform for Bush or accept an honor from him--No. Unless, I knew I could make a statement to him as was mentioned earlier in this thread that KC should do. And I would throw the medal on the ground.

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I always know when I knock you out when I get one of those replies.

(and, in case anyone wonders, yes, I love papa. I can look past his political persuasion. )

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folks the only reason i get amped up on threads like this is when i see the side that is calling for tolerance and understanding going out of their way to demonize and divide and acting as if they have divine providence to do so. the hypocisy of it is apalling and yet their oblivion is complete within their own little group. face it, you're a f***ing minority and someone is always going to use you and your lives as a campaign stink bomb. in america, first it was the italians the chinese and the irish, then it was the jews (although they and the christians saw plenty of that in their time), then women, then the blacks then the hispanics. look at successful rights movements in american history. who achieved more for african americans? malcom x with the policy of anger and division, or martin luther king with peaceful protest and allowing the better angels of american society to overwhelm people. you're not going to get in american's faces and shove your issues down their throats. all you achieve is a backlash against your goals. and the moniker of hypocrites everytime you brand someone with the label of bigot or hater. it's a movement, not a f***ing war. you aren't going to have a decisive battle and the kinds of analogies thrown here with carefree abandon do nothing but cement current views and prejudieces without ever even trying to find any middle ground. that's a losing strategy. is it fair that you even have to engage in this? of course not. but it wasn't fair of my ancestors to own other human beings either, but it happened and we still have not ironed out that one. so stay angry. keep preaching the politics of division while demanding for acceptance. there's the way it oughta be and there's the way it is. you can try to evoke change using methods that b ring people together and allow their own innate sense of right and wwrong to eventually inform their actions, or you can divide them, demonize them and give further ammunition to those on their side who point to the hatred and say, "see, they hate us." thus, another generation grows up fearing and not understanding and not accepting others. it's human nature, folks. you're not going to get what you want through confrontation. all you get is a screaming contest to see who can shout the loudest, who can use the meanest words and who can go home and brag to their friends the longest about how they told that a**hole a thing or two today.

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i'm sorry, did i miss the edition of american history where ownership of history was bestowed on any single group? and how dare you presume to speak for all african americans? that's like ward connerly saying that he's the voice of black america. yer a hack, evie. and your hatred might keep you warm in the short term, but it'll leave ya cold and alone eventually.

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ok, jrb, x did get people riled up all right and may you find your x. i hope you're not one of the people who have to pay the price for getting america riled up. because a whole lotta people paid for x's words including him. and when you're riling people up, remember, it was x's own folk who dun kilt his a**.

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d, i took out one line in that diatribe towards the end..."god, i sound so f***ing tibetan new age-y."

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Papa, your post isn't even worth addressing in detail. Racism and homophobia barely concealed within it! And that's some bull you're preaching about strategies that minorities should use to achieve their goals - you're telling US what we need to do to deal with ignorant people like you? Oh kiss off, you old cross-burner. :)

God JRB if I was gay.....

you are one of the smartest people on this board.

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No, Evelyn, you are VERY uninformed*. And I laugh at your saying that I am "accomodationist" after being accused of being too much of a fighter!

*Papa is in an interracial marriage (as he has stated before on this board). Try topping that, honey.

Carl--you know how I feel about ya. If you ever have an epiphany....

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cuz we both had papa--at the SAME TIME!

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