#26
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:14pm
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The RENT movie trailer appears to be homophobic — Page 2
#27
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:15pm
Did you miss the part in the trailor where Angel is consoling a beaten Collins? Or is it because he was in drag that their embrace does not count? And what about the funural where Benny (who is not gay) is hugging another male. You seem to be missing the parts you want to see and instead attack those that you don't.
Keep in mind there are 3 couples and two "single" men in this show. if the trailer showed only Collins and Angel's relationship (even though Roger and Mimi dominate in the show) how the hell do You think this movie would look in advertising.
The more you debate this, the more YOU look like an A$$!!
Keep in mind there are 3 couples and two "single" men in this show. if the trailer showed only Collins and Angel's relationship (even though Roger and Mimi dominate in the show) how the hell do You think this movie would look in advertising.
The more you debate this, the more YOU look like an A$$!!
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"Yes", Lloyd Webber replied. "My 50th birthday special must be one program that gets done a lot."
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#28
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:15pm
...also when the trailer came out they were still filming the movie...notice that La Vie Boheme is not in the trailer at all. It was about a month later after the trailer was released they started to work on that scene.
Point is this: They only had so much footage to use at the time the trailer was created.
Point is this: They only had so much footage to use at the time the trailer was created.
#29
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:19pm
I just don't like this marketing campaign, presumably from Columbia Pictures, that is designed to downplay the role of gay men and their affection in RENT. If there is a trailer anywhere that should be honest and respectful of a movie's content, it's RENT. To hide the gay male love, to put it into the shadows, to treat it differently from the heterosexual love...well, that's just adding to the stigma.
Updated On: 8/10/05 at 09:19 PM
#31
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:20pm
ok--folks, you may not agree with what art2 is talking about (which he may not be articulating himself very well and is about the double standard against gay men and gays in general), there is no need to make some of the comments that you have made. Most particularly "Just admit what you really want to see.... 2 hotties getting it on." and "Just go watch some porn. Grab your dick and double click for porn. Porn. PORN!"
Art2 has presented a valid issue--some of you have explained well and some have not.
Yes, it isn't fair that showing gay men kissing in trailers is a taboo. But, we are living in that era at the moment. (and saying that there is only 1 kiss in the stage production is silly logic--there may be 5 kisses in the film or 0).
However--I don't think this is one of those battles one should choose in a world where we must pick and choose them.
Art2 has presented a valid issue--some of you have explained well and some have not.
Yes, it isn't fair that showing gay men kissing in trailers is a taboo. But, we are living in that era at the moment. (and saying that there is only 1 kiss in the stage production is silly logic--there may be 5 kisses in the film or 0).
However--I don't think this is one of those battles one should choose in a world where we must pick and choose them.
Updated On: 8/10/05 at 09:20 PM
#32
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:32pm
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I hardly think two men kissing is going to scare the horses in New York or elsewhere for that matter. In any case, like I said, if there's a trailer that should be honest and open about the content it's the RENT trailer. To not show the gay male relationship with the same sorts of images used to portray the heterosexual relationships is just a plain case of homophobia.
I hardly think two men kissing is going to scare the horses in New York or elsewhere for that matter. In any case, like I said, if there's a trailer that should be honest and open about the content it's the RENT trailer. To not show the gay male relationship with the same sorts of images used to portray the heterosexual relationships is just a plain case of homophobia.
#33
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:33pm
And I said that I agree with that--but I think it's highly silly for you to obsess over this when REAL problems are out there.
#34
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:46pm
I think you are WAY overreacting. If Columbia had any homophobia why would they be producing RENT at all. They know people are going to go see it. Plus, you keep repeating the exact same thing in every post.
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#35
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:48pm
art, what is just plain stupid about the fact that you are annoyed by this is that movie trailers hardly ever cover all the ground of the movie. The RENT trailer is no different. The trailer OBVIOUSLY does not disregard the homosexuality in the movie, and it is represented with images similar to that of the heterosexual couple. But, as others have said, first of all...Roger is a much larger character than Collins and Angel, so his relationship with April and especially Mimi will be shown much more than the others.
Anyway, where do you see the representation of AIDs in the trailer...among other things that are a large part of RENT? You don't. They just can't and won't put EVERYTHING into a trailer that lasts--what, a minute and a half? Two and a half minutes?
Anyway, where do you see the representation of AIDs in the trailer...among other things that are a large part of RENT? You don't. They just can't and won't put EVERYTHING into a trailer that lasts--what, a minute and a half? Two and a half minutes?
#36
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:48pm
Keep in mind that we nevr see Mimi or Roger shooting up un the trailers either. Those people upstairs at Columbia must really not like Drug addicts either!
"Do you know what pledge time is, Andrew"? said the PBS Executive.
"Yes", Lloyd Webber replied. "My 50th birthday special must be one program that gets done a lot."
"No", mused the man from PBS heedlessy. "Not so much. Our Stephen Sondheim Carnegie Hall concert. That's a big one."
Spoons, forks and knives seemed suddenly to suspend their motion in horror, all around the table.
#37
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:49pm
"you keep repeating the exact same thing"
Which is what Bush does. You don't want to be like Bush, do you, art??
Which is what Bush does. You don't want to be like Bush, do you, art??
Updated On: 8/10/05 at 09:49 PM
#38
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:57pm
I don't see what your point is Art. They show gay men, they show Collins and Angel. Besides, this is a teaser trailer, not a full length trailer. Their kiss is a special moment, and I am sure that any worthy filmmaker would not want to throw away such a beautiful moment.
#39
Posted: 8/10/05 at 9:57pm
The real issue is the comparative treatment of the heterosexual and homosexual relationships in the trailer. If you watch the trailer, you will have no doubt that heterosexual love is being promoted and celebrated. But you get no similar sense of celebration or, indeed, presence of the gay male love. The images of male-male interaction that are present in the trailer could easily be interpreted as platonic, which I have no doubt was the intention of those who made the trailer.
#40
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:02pm
I'm glad you could read the mind of Chris Columbus and his editors as they were putting this together.
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#41
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:03pm
Shut the F*** up already!
"Do you know what pledge time is, Andrew"? said the PBS Executive.
"Yes", Lloyd Webber replied. "My 50th birthday special must be one program that gets done a lot."
"No", mused the man from PBS heedlessy. "Not so much. Our Stephen Sondheim Carnegie Hall concert. That's a big one."
Spoons, forks and knives seemed suddenly to suspend their motion in horror, all around the table.
#42
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:03pm
A trailer is not going to be all things to all people. While I appreciate that the Angel/Collins relationship is important to the story, I honestly think that Angel, as a pure symbol of love, is just as important to everyone. His death shakes them all. If you do not like the way the issue is being handled in the trailer, then just don't go to the film. Simple enough.
Maybe strangers to the Rent story, because believe or not, there are still a few out there who do not know what Rent is about, would be a bit put-off by two men kissing. Is that right . . . no. But, unfortunately, it is true. Some people are just ignorant, or worse, out-right hateful.
I would rather get people in the door and expose them to the love, then scare their pea-brained minds away before they had a chance to consider that maybe this relationship is really not a big deal - no different than any other. And, as has been already mentioned, this is not an art-house movie. And in the end, the studio is there to make money. Jonathon's family is apparently pleased with how the movie whas shot and handled, as were the 6th members from the OBC.
And, for what it is worth, 4 of the 8 cast members have done a lenghthy interview with Out Magazine . . .https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?thread=862900&dt=081005090808
So, while the trailer may not in detail disclose the relationship between Collins and Angel, it is clear that the pre-release marketing machine still considers it important to the film.
I hope that makes some sense.
Maybe strangers to the Rent story, because believe or not, there are still a few out there who do not know what Rent is about, would be a bit put-off by two men kissing. Is that right . . . no. But, unfortunately, it is true. Some people are just ignorant, or worse, out-right hateful.
I would rather get people in the door and expose them to the love, then scare their pea-brained minds away before they had a chance to consider that maybe this relationship is really not a big deal - no different than any other. And, as has been already mentioned, this is not an art-house movie. And in the end, the studio is there to make money. Jonathon's family is apparently pleased with how the movie whas shot and handled, as were the 6th members from the OBC.
And, for what it is worth, 4 of the 8 cast members have done a lenghthy interview with Out Magazine . . .https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?thread=862900&dt=081005090808
So, while the trailer may not in detail disclose the relationship between Collins and Angel, it is clear that the pre-release marketing machine still considers it important to the film.
I hope that makes some sense.
Updated On: 8/10/05 at 10:03 PM
#43
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:04pm
art, unless you yourself created the trailer, you have -no- idea what was going through the minds of the movie execs. perhaps it was the case that they were not comfortable showing two gay males kissing. or -maybe- it was because as some others have already stated they had no footage of that at the time. what were you expecting out of a -trailer-?? yes, it's also true that some who don't know anything about rent may see collins and angel's relationship as platonic, clearly you know better. what did you expect to see in the trailer? a two minute trailer showing nothing but collins and angel making out?? can't please all of the people all of the time.
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#44
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:04pm
*bangs. head. on. wall*
Honestly, if the producers wanted to hide the homosexuality as much as you say, they would NOT have shown any at all. They would NOT have shown Maureen and Joanne kissing, they would not have shown Angel taking off his wig, they would not have shown Collins snuggling with Angel or dancing with him. But they showed all of that. Yeah, maybe some of it could be miscontrued as platonic, I'll give you that. But if they showed a kiss, which likely would be with Angel in drag, many could've been mistaken and thought he was a woman. Apparently many ON the set of the movie thought so.
Honestly, if the producers wanted to hide the homosexuality as much as you say, they would NOT have shown any at all. They would NOT have shown Maureen and Joanne kissing, they would not have shown Angel taking off his wig, they would not have shown Collins snuggling with Angel or dancing with him. But they showed all of that. Yeah, maybe some of it could be miscontrued as platonic, I'll give you that. But if they showed a kiss, which likely would be with Angel in drag, many could've been mistaken and thought he was a woman. Apparently many ON the set of the movie thought so.
#45
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:06pm
RENT celebrates love and friendship in any shape or from.
I think that there was nothing wrong with the trailer, it was absoultly beautiful and wonderful. It truely showed RENT. And i'm sorry, but i think some people don't understand or value the true message in RENT, some people seem to be just fans because it supports their lifestyles. To say that its (the trailer)homophobic is plan stupid. The trailer displays everything RENT is about, but AIDS, which to me is a major role in RENT.
I think that there was nothing wrong with the trailer, it was absoultly beautiful and wonderful. It truely showed RENT. And i'm sorry, but i think some people don't understand or value the true message in RENT, some people seem to be just fans because it supports their lifestyles. To say that its (the trailer)homophobic is plan stupid. The trailer displays everything RENT is about, but AIDS, which to me is a major role in RENT.
#46
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:10pm
first off this isn't even the trailer, this is the teaser trailer so there may be more when the full trailer comes out, so calm down. There is only so much you can put into a 1-2min trailer.
I don't see it as being homophobic, as stated before Collins and Angel aren't even the main focus of the show. BTW they kiss more than once in the stage production (they kiss during I'll Cover You, Christmas Bells and La Vie Boheme)
In the teaser trailer they are shown dancing and being playful and sweet and they are in love you don't need them making out to know that. They're relationship is sweet and endearing and not full on groping action. So calm down I think they were represented well in the trailer.
I don't see it as being homophobic, as stated before Collins and Angel aren't even the main focus of the show. BTW they kiss more than once in the stage production (they kiss during I'll Cover You, Christmas Bells and La Vie Boheme)
In the teaser trailer they are shown dancing and being playful and sweet and they are in love you don't need them making out to know that. They're relationship is sweet and endearing and not full on groping action. So calm down I think they were represented well in the trailer.
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#47
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:14pm
Ashley,
I don't know if Chris Columbus had any part in the trailer I've seen. If he did then I think it's a bad sign for the movie.
As for the notion that we should all be celebrating the love in RENT, fine, I have no problem with that. But don't marginalize the gay male love. Don't treat it as something that shouldn't be portrayed in a proportional manner. Don't excuse the omission on the basis that there are homophobic people out there who might be offended by it. These are all things that would please the Jerry Falwells of this world.
I don't know if Chris Columbus had any part in the trailer I've seen. If he did then I think it's a bad sign for the movie.
As for the notion that we should all be celebrating the love in RENT, fine, I have no problem with that. But don't marginalize the gay male love. Don't treat it as something that shouldn't be portrayed in a proportional manner. Don't excuse the omission on the basis that there are homophobic people out there who might be offended by it. These are all things that would please the Jerry Falwells of this world.
#48
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:18pm
This is probably a threadjack, but does anyone have a journalfen account? I'm itching to see this up on fandom_wank.
Back to your regularly scheduled debate.
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#49
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:18pm
Promoting heterosexuality? Because they're showing "straight" couples kissing more often than gay couples? Boy, you must have a FIT every time a romantic comedy trailer comes out. I don't see what you're trying to get at. Even the production itself doesn't revolve around homosexuality. If it DID, your argument may be a bit more logical, but it doesn't.
You're dealing with both homosexual couples (Collins/Angel, Maureen/Joanne) as well as heterosexual (Mark/Maureen, Mimi/Roger, Mimi/Benny, Roger/April).
I think it's far from homophobic. If it WERE, they probably wouldn't even include those nice clips of that Maureen/Joanne spit-swap or ANY of those Angel/Collins moments. But they did. To me, they're actually TELLING their audience, "Look, this is what this movie about. And there may be some material that seems inappropriate to you, but give it a chance, because YOU MIGHT GET A GOOD UNIVERSAL MESSAGE FROM IT!"
You're dealing with both homosexual couples (Collins/Angel, Maureen/Joanne) as well as heterosexual (Mark/Maureen, Mimi/Roger, Mimi/Benny, Roger/April).
I think it's far from homophobic. If it WERE, they probably wouldn't even include those nice clips of that Maureen/Joanne spit-swap or ANY of those Angel/Collins moments. But they did. To me, they're actually TELLING their audience, "Look, this is what this movie about. And there may be some material that seems inappropriate to you, but give it a chance, because YOU MIGHT GET A GOOD UNIVERSAL MESSAGE FROM IT!"
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#50
Posted: 8/10/05 at 10:19pm
I think he's a lost cause. Blinded by his pride.
art2 - It seems that your problem is actually with Jonathan Larson's musical. You seem to think that he should have re-centered the show and made it deal more with Collins and Angel. The fact is that the show is not centered on either character. This show/movie isn't a gay show/movie. Deal.
art2 - It seems that your problem is actually with Jonathan Larson's musical. You seem to think that he should have re-centered the show and made it deal more with Collins and Angel. The fact is that the show is not centered on either character. This show/movie isn't a gay show/movie. Deal.
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