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#101

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There is no doubt that RENT is about love and friendship. But the trailer only wishes to portray it in a way that is palatable to those who are homophobic about the male-male interaction. As such, I find it offensive.

As for the notion that there are bigger battles to be fought, I agree. But when a trailer for a movie that has an important gay male relationship ends up pandering to those who would oppress gay people, then surely the alarm bells must go off. It's like being stabbed in the back by someone you considered a friend.
#102

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I read this entire thread, because once I started I just couldn't stop. It's getting pretty ridiculous at this point what art and broadwaybaby have been saying.

I didn't know that RENT, Chris Columbus, and the people who made the trailer were your best friends art.... but apparently they were if they could stab you in the back.

The only problem I have is that this was just a teaser trailer. The teaser trailer was trying to bring in people that probably already know about the musical and all the different aspects to each person's story. If you don't realize this by now, but the two of you seem to be the only ones who think the trailer is homophobic. To you, it seems that people are homophobic only if they don't add men kissing in the RENT trailer. Obviously you need a new definition of homophobia because you are getting the wrong picture about this entire movie.

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#104

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I swear we have mentioned this before... yes, it played before Bewitched.

Now you can also see it on DVD with the movie Guess Who.

--korenglish
#105

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I seriously thought this thread was a joke at first...

art, they didn't show Nathan Lane and Robin Williams kiss in the entirety of The Birdcage, does that make it homophobic? This argument is pretty desperate, and just because the one kiss between two men is not in the trailer doesn't make it homophobic. Would you like for them to have shown the entire movie in the preview? Perhaps then we would get all of RENT's themes quite clearly from the trailer...
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#106

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Hey, Art, I'd like to understand your argument a bit more. Could you clarify exactly which gay male relationships you feel weren't sexually portrayed in the trailer?

Because I think all of them were portrayed.

There aren't any male-male relationships in RENT. Angel considers himself female, and his friends respect him enough to refer to him by the proper pronoun. I like to do the same.

Could you name any male-male relationships you feel might have been portrayed in a sexual manner in the trailer to even out the ratio?

I don't believe there are any. But please tell me if there are.
"I am the sound of distant thunder, the color of flame." CARRIE the Musical
#107

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I respect art and broadwaybaby's opinions, but I would also like some clarification between the two. Broadwaybaby, it sounds as if your argument is coming from the stage production, and is carrying over to the film, and Art...you seem to have nothing against the stage musical, but are thus far dissappointed in what you have seen for the film. I don't want to assume, so can you all verify this for me? They are totally different arguments in the sense that if you were dissappointed with the stage version, and thought it did not have enough gay male interaction, that's one thing, but to be dissappointed in a full film version that has yet to reveal itself, that could at the very least portray its gay male relationship as it does in the stage version sounds like someone is really upset about the book for the stage musical. Am I making sense? Anyway, I think acceptance takes a while, which it shouldn't, but history has shown is does. Rent, and whatever gay portrayals are shown, can only have a positive effect.
#109

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This thread is tiring and took alot of energy out of me...

My two cents

Its a trailer. The point is to get as many people into the movie as humanly possible. As a very proud gay man I would love to see them try and get as many closed minded conservatives into the theaters as they can. Wouldn't you? Hopefully then the movie (as apose to a minute long trailer) would speak to them in a positive way on the issues of gay relationships...as I know the play has to so many. If not showing two men kissing will get them in, then by all means take it out of the trailer. Hopefully then these people who would be offended by it will not be when they see the whole movie, because they'll see it as a loving healthy relationship based on real things and not just perverted sexuality (or whatever they think).

Also, if its all about a kiss, you're crazy. My boyfriend of three years and I don't really define our relationship by sex...or kissing. I personally felt that the Collins-Angel relationship was handled beautifully and honestly in the trailer. We see angel is a man, we see Collins eye him lovingly, we see them holding hands. It makes it look more sweet and loving and honest and sincere than sexual...and I personally think thats a good thing.

Just my two cents. The trailer looks fierce.
#110

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guys, this Art person is a troll. He was on the RENT board at imdb under the name arthurs2 making the same stuipid argument, and he's nothing but a broken record. It's people like him that CAUSE homophobia, not help to end it. Ugh, I think it's best if this thread just dies.
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#112

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I finally finished this thread and I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Now...I haven't seen the trailer...actually, I have...but don't really remember much about it. And I probably wouldn't throw the word 'homophobic' about in this regard. Probably.

But to imply that Angel and Collins' relationship is not central to RENT is just plain wrong. And to imply that not showing the physical aspect of their relationship either through a kiss or more is bizarre. Gay people F*CK...when they are in or out of love. They kiss. They express their affection and attraction for each other both physically and emotionally. I mean...Jonathan Larson wrote the gay male couple as the ideal for relationships. It's completely subversive, brave and brilliant. And for all of you to claim that it doesn't matter or that it's secondary have probably 1. never been in love and 2. don't really get RENT...no matter how many times you've seen it or listened to the cast album or obsessed over a cast member's every moment.

I'm also shocked at the number of people who don't get that there is definitely a disparity between images of lesbian affection and gay male affection in our culture.

And anyone who can bring up Cruisin' in this conversation without acknolwedging the advances made in queer cinema in the 25 or so since is doing his or her own argument a disservice. I mean...I know it's currently listed on Movies on Demand...but come ON!

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Updated On: 8/11/05 at 12:17 PM

#114

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My two cents...I did not read this entire thread but, being a gay man, I think the trailer is excellent. I think it covered enough bases to get a person interested in the movie. No need to throw the gay relationships down the public's throat because ultimately the show is not about being gay. *rant*....As a 44 year old gay male, I am getting sick of hearing this whole "gay people being repressed thing". I have marched, been to vigils, meetings, you name it! The gay community needs to take care of things within the gay community before we go running around demanding certain rights and yelling that we are being repressed. (NOBODY asked me my opinion about gay marriage before running to the press and to San Fran to get married) I am happy to claim that I have been a part of getting the gay community to where it is today. Go vote, be active, work within the gay community. We are way farther than we were 15 years ago but we still have a ways to go. But it has to start within the community. Get the community together and then you can complain. I'm done. Sorry! I need a cocktail now....where's my flask?

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Updated On: 8/11/05 at 12:31 PM

#115

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This community will never be 'together'. Why? Because we are as magnificently diverse as the rest of America. We have gay Repubs, Dems, Libertarians, Socialists, from every race and religious background, from vanilla to kink. Do you really think we could every agree on everything? Or even anything?

No offense, but no one cares what you think about gay marriage. If you want it or not, that's your business. But the RIGHT to have your relationship protected under the law shouldn't even be a question in anyone's mind. Whether you choose to exercise that right is another matter completely.

I didn't have a problem with the trailer I saw. But the comments from these people who are themselves margianalizing the gay relationship at the very center of RENT and are unfazed by the fact that true gay representation is sadly lacking is disturbing to me.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#116

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This whole thread has been a very amusing diversion to my work day. Who cares about the trailer---I want to see the whole movie! BTW, I'm Republican and Rent is one of my favorite shows.
Why is the trailer homophobic? Because they have to select the best stuff from what they have shot to try to get box office? Kill the entire entertainment business then!!
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Updated On: 8/11/05 at 12:55 PM

#117

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No one has ever questioned Republicans liking RENT.

There has been question on why conservatives do? Or why homophobes do? (and they give the same answer as many have on this thread...)

But there is a WHOLE other thread for this particular topic.

:)

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#118

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robbiej - I agree with you. I could have gone on and on about it but It would have gone on for pages. You hit the nail on the head about the diversity in the gay community. I don't think we can all agree on everything. But I feel that before you start complaining (meaning the gay community) do some of the basics that everyone does. Start by voting. I know a lot of the gay community does, but a lot don't. And I hate to say it, but it is mostly the younger members of the community. I think people care what I think about gay marriage as it has been a big topic here for awhile (Denver, land of Amendment 2). we were upset because the activists within the gay community took it upon themselves to speak for us. THEY didn't care what the rest of us thought about gay marriage! I don't think gay marriage is what we need right now. And yes, the right to have our relationships protected under law IS important. And I know too many people who feel the same.

Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder

Updated On: 8/11/05 at 01:03 PM

#119

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As everyone has said there are homosexual inages in the trailer! Even if the arguement that this is for publicity they still have to show at least some form of homosexual images. Luring people into the theatre that are homophobic to see this movie is not a smart move. The trailer is ment for the public to get a better sense of what they will be seeing. Alot of success for movies comes from word of mouth, so having these people who are clueless cause they didnt know homosexuality was in this movie would not be a smart move at all for publicity.

I do agree we are living in a very certain era right now. There was an argument a while back stating that the gay rights movement is going backward due to shows like Queer eye and Will and Grace. I personally think that these shows are helping the gay rights act. Remember like 10-15 years ago when there were NO gay images on TV. Yes Things Jack does is very sterotypical gay but come on steroptypes are there for a reason. It is up to you to believe them or not. There is always the most extreme sides on the gay shows. Will is opposite jack and there is the full spectrum on Queer eye (not everyone of them is flamming like Carson). We must look at anything dealing with gay issues as a positive thing. A movie like Rent helps the gay rights movement no matter how the advertise for the movie. We are no longer forced into silence as much as we once were. Personally I find it refreshing to be able to step out of my closet for a little fresh air every once and a while. By no means is this country at a place it needs to be. That is why the trailer is not 1-2 minutes of gays making out. But it does show two women kissing and even a step further a drag queen. On a thread there was a great quote:

Homophobics are wrong and gay activists are right, because one group wants rights for some while the other wants rights for all

This quote is the absolute truth. We live in a country that can not look up from the Bible pages long enough to see a population of love and devotion that just would like to be looked upon as a "normal" citizen of this country (full rights and all). In Bare the musical the teacher says the best line in the world, "God made no mistakes." Through my stuggle with religion I find that this really keeps me connected. I am the exact same as every single heterosexual and until the blindfolds can be removed from this county, most importantly our government, homophobia will continue and the gay rights movement will never be finished.

To sun up, embrace a movie like Rent, even through all of its out right or lack there of, images that you feel should or should not be there. Be fortunate that someone saw that this movie has a message that needs to be spread around the world!
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#120

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OMG the rent railer wasn't full of back alley BJs and annonymous buttplugging? That's the most homophobic movie trailer EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!.


seriously people. Rent/=/Gay therefore the trailer does not have to show lots of gayosity. Plus, it's not commercially wise to have a trailer full of man love, it will turn off a large number of people. Save the man love til after they pay there money, that way if it offendds them, you've already got it.
when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.
#121

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Zoneace--what an ***hole comment. He wasn't asking for "back alley BJs and annonymous buttplugging". HOW DARE YOU??

He mentioned the lack of a gay male kiss. WHY must you and others take it to the extreme? Maybe you should reach puberty before you start thinking and discussing "back alley BJs and annonymous buttplugging".

And theatreboi11: you better give me credit for that quote, buster! re: The RENT movie trailer appears to be homophobic
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#122

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A Breakdown of the trailer I think it is pretty even, and a really good trailer. I'm excited for the movie.

Roger- walking alone
Roger and Mimi - light my candle
Mark and Angel - walking
Angel and Collins - arm around Angel Mimi on side line
Mark - riding bike
Roger and Mimi - Light my candle
Roger - running
Angel - dancing
Collins - laughing and clapping
Mark, Maureen and Joanne - walking
Group singing
Mark - filming
Roger- on bus
Roger and Mimi - kiss
Angel and Collins - Dancing
Group singing
Mimi - at door
Roger - at door
Joanne and Maureen - kiss (New Years? maybe)
Mimi and Maureen hug and street and so do Collins and Joanne
Joanne and Maureen - kiss
Roger and Mimi- kiss
Angel and Collins - deep embrace
Mimi- walking alone at night
Group singing
Joanne solo
Roger throwing Mimi out of apartment
Angel dancing
Roger clapping
Roses placed on grave
Two people silhouetted on the street (obviously sad)
Roger sitting alone at window
Group singing
Collins solo
Benny getting hugged
Garbage can of fire dumped out
Angel taking off wig
Collins solo
Group waling through cemetery
Group singing
Angel and Collins holding hands walking on street
New years fireworks
Roger arms out on rooftop
Group singing
Night club
Roger performing on stage
April in audience
Mark and Joanne - Tango Maureen
Maureen - over the Moon
Mark walking
April and Roger kiss
Mark and Roger Hug
Angel and Collins high five
Mimi at Cat Scratch Club
Angel Collins and mark in subway
Roger and April hold each other
Mark? Running
Joanne solo
Maureen - Over the moon
Benny at performance
Group celebrating New Year
Group singing
Rent logo
Mimi dancing on street






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#124

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JRB, the comment was not meant seriously. It was a comment on the fact that people got all upset because they didn't show angel and collins kissing? they blew the fact that man on man sexuality/sensuality wasn't shown.

And i've long sense reached puberty. I'm on the same side as you (i think, because i don't think you were agreeing that the trailer was homophobic) I just took a more direct, and slightly vulgar approach than you because I'm through with all these whiney little babies complaining that gay affection isn't all over the mainstream. The reason it isn't is because 1)its not publicly popular and 2) its not financially wise to show it. Plain and simply, not homophobia, just good business deciision, plus the man on man relationship isn't the central focus of the show. thus my Rent/=/Gay. Rent is not a gay show, it is a show with gays in it. there is a very large difference. Love! Valour! Compassion! that is a gay show. now if there was a movie trailer for that and it didn't make prominent the gays then it would be a misrepresentitive, but the Rent Trailer is neither missrepresentitive nor homophobic. People just need to get over the fact that jsut because something doesn't flaunt homosexuals or homosexuality doesn't mean it is Anti gay.

when ducks grow thumbs then maybe my opinion will change.

Updated On: 8/11/05 at 02:18 PM

#125

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Well, none of that, while true, negates the fact that we need to evolve in this country. And, one of these days, people are going to be brave again and fight the status quo despite what the public thinks is popular.

So, my point ultimately is that art2 has started an important and relevant conversation. There IS a double standard. And, some of us are tired of being complacent.

All I did say was that I didn't think RENT was the battle to fight on this and that I don't think it's fair to call the the film's trailer homophobic.

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Updated On: 8/11/05 at 02:23 PM

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