The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
theaternut
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/4/03
#1The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 3:50am
#2The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 7:35am
I agree. See this thread.
https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?boardid=2&boardname=off&thread=1007761#3907043
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#2The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 9:28amOh yes of course. Don't focus on the millions of people the organization helps, focus on your own narrow viewpoint.
#3The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 9:37amWhy not, you do.
#4The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 9:49amGoth, do you disagree with what the SA is being accused of? These are the ugly facts. I'll be the first to admit they do some very good work but they also practice hate and discrimination. The Trevor Project and Doctors without Borders are the two I'm donating to this year.
#5The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 9:53amThere are plenty of organizations that do go deeds, but I would only give to those whose stated beliefs are not antithetical to my own.
#6The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:05am
By all means, goth, pretend that this organization is the single entity worthy of getting my money--unlike the THOUSANDS who don't include hate as part of their profile, who are more focused on HELPING people than worrying about whom I go to bed with.
Updated On: 11/23/10 at 10:05 AM
#7The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:11am
There was a website I remember a few years ago that mailed out little cards to put in the SA buckets that said something like "this could have been a donation if..."
Does anyone remember these or know if they're still available anywhere?
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#8The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:13amGoth, it's like saying "go ahead, eat those toxic mushrooms=- they are loaded with niacin!"
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#9The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:24am
Does the Salvation Army stand at the door of their soup kitchens and say "We don't feed you because your gay?" If they did that, then I would take this more seriously.
Many of you actively practice hate, the very thing you're accusing the Salvation Army of doing.
#10The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:28am
Goth, apparently you agree with the SA's anti gay policy. You have not addressed this in any of your posts.How are we practicing hate? All we are doing is encouraging people NOT to donate to them. Is that hate?
http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/are_anti-gay_policies_hurting_the_salvation_armys_coffers
#11The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:29amI don't know how much of the money donated to the Salvation Army goes to donations, and how much goes to administration, but that part that goes to administration is furthering their existence, and supporting them as an entity. I choose not to do that. I'd rather support entities that share my vision of social justice.
#12The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:29am
Well, I hate ignorance and intolerance. Is that what you mean?
Sorry, but my faith actually requires it of me.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#13The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:41am
romantico, let me explain this one more time. Many people like you still don't seem to get it.
The Constitution (before liberals and Obama shred it) guarantees freedom of religion. That means that people have the right to practice their religion as they see fit. It's one of the things that makes America unique.
People like you continue to try and chip away at those guaranteed freedoms. You will only end up hurting yourself because when freedom starts to go, yours will go with it.
Do you have specific evidence of The Salvation Army murdering gays or treating them in some other criminal way? Stating one's belief system is still accepted in this country, despite the fact that people like you want to end that freedom.
#14The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:52am
Wait, so choosing not to donate my own money is somehow a violation of the First Amendment? The First Amendment does not guarantee freedom of religion - it prohibits the government from getting in the middle of religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
No one is saying that the SA cannot exist, all people are saying is that they do not want to financially support it because part of its view of homosexuality.
Why is Romantico's expression of his opinion in any way less valid that SA's right to have bigoted views? The answer is that it is not.
#15The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:52amStating one's beliefs is accepted and practiced, yes. But we also have the option not to donate to those entities that go against ours. At my former job, I could not give blood just because I was gay. Even if I brought in proof that my blood was fine. The only thing gay people were allowed to do was help out the people drawing the blood. We wanted to donate blood, not hand out the gifts to the donors.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#16The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 10:58am
YWIW, as usual you are not paying attention and just going all over the place in debate.
Romantico posted:
"Goth, apparently you agree with the SA's anti gay policy."
My response was to that statement.
Q
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/3/05
#17The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 11:01am
I had to go back and re-read through this old thread.
Goth asks how they're doing harm. My old statement concerned the involvement right after 9/11, when they were presented to the American public as the primary source for donations and relief for survivors - sanctioned as such by the media. But when surviving gay persons went to them for help - as the 'advertised' primary source for relief - they were turned away. That is a different kettle of fish, in my book.
I don't go out of my way to harrass these people, and I certainly don't wish that those that end up getting help should have that stop. But they won't be getting any of my money.
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#18The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 11:02am
Yes Goth they CAN be anti-gay. And I can say I'll give my money elsewhere and urge my friends to do the same.
One can't help but wonder if you'd be so sanguine if they were antisemitic, preaching that Jews must be converted and practicing Judaism will condemn you to hell.
JustAGuy
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/20/03
#19The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 11:09am
"People like you continue to try and chip away at those guaranteed freedoms. You will only end up hurting yourself because when freedom starts to go, yours will go with it."
WHAT? How exactly is voicing an OPINION that people shouldn't donate to the Salvation Army because of their homophobic policies...chipping away at guaranteed freedoms? That's simply BS, Goth and you know it. No one is saying that they can't practice their religion in any way they choose. No one is calling for them to be eliminated. People are simply making the point that the organization is homophobic...and that there are other organizations that do equally good works that are not. Boo-****ing-hoo...the Salvation Army is not above criticism...no matter how good some of their works may be.
It seems that it's okay with you that the Salvation Army has these polices...but not okay that someone speaks out against them? Double Standard much?
Unknown User
Joined: 12/31/69
#20The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 11:36am
He's thrown the turd into the punchbowl and skittered away.
Updated On: 11/22/10 at 11:36 AM
#21The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 11:49am
Goth,The constitution was shredded long before Obama got into Office. Bush/Cheney took care of that!
I do not disagree about freedom of religion.I am not chipping away at anything.I respect the right to practice religion. Using religion as a way to justify discrimination is what I have a problem with.
The SA can say ,'Hey, it's the bible not us! We' are just going by the bible and it says awful things about you gays so we are making the rules based on our religious book and what it says!'
#22The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 12:10pm
Funny Goth, I was responding to this statement you made:
"The Constitution (before liberals and Obama shred it) guarantees freedom of religion. That means that people have the right to practice their religion as they see fit. It's one of the things that makes America unique.
People like you continue to try and chip away at those guaranteed freedoms. You will only end up hurting yourself because when freedom starts to go, yours will go with it."
Which somehow implies that by Romantico exercising his first amendment rights, he somehow denies someone else.
I am sorry if responding to a specific statement you made is too much for you to handle.
#23The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 12:31pm
A right-winger and/or fundamentalist says something objectionable: Exercising 1st Amendment right.
If anyone objects: Trying to dismantle the Constitution.
Got it.
DAME
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/15/04
#24The Salvation Army is a nasty anti-gay evangelical church, don't give them a dime!
Posted: 11/22/10 at 12:41pmI haven't given a dime to them in years. Does anyone have a link to that voucher that used to be given for people to put in their kettles?
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