Brd - I agree about the church being the people. My husband is very religious and we have a deep history with the church. It is also a source of some disagreement because he sees things as black and white with no grey areas and I have my own views but I don't try to discuss things as I can't "win the discussion"
"The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends." - Shirley MacLaine
Yeah, Baddy, maybe you should call him "Father T" instead of "Big T." (Aithough I must admit that Caldwell and I got a good chuckle from your using that term...affectionately, of course!)
"Be on your guard! Jerks on the loose!"
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BW, my father is dogmatic, but a very compassionate man. My mother is a convert and all of her views are formed by her role as a mother and grandmother.
Miss P - All the girls friends have called BT that for years. Someone started it and it just stuck.
Brd - I can relate to your mother. I am a convert. Hubby's family would not have liked me if I had not become a Catholic. I also mainly see the church as a help in my role as a mother and grandmother. We can have a good discussion when we meet at the midwest get-together, okay.
Penny - I would like to see you go head to head in a discussion with BT. I think you could hold your own. I'm not sure I would want to be there but I would like to watch it later!! LOL
"The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends." - Shirley MacLaine
As I always say, Baddy, you are BAAAAAD! I learned a long time ago that there is no point in arguing with people who refuse to tolerate any viewpoint than their own!
"Be on your guard! Jerks on the loose!"
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"If any relationship involves a flow chart, get out of it...FAST!"
You are a very smart person Miss P. Like I said in my job interview years ago when asked how I felt I would work under direction of someone, I said that I could only relate it to how I relate to my husband and that was that he tells me what he wants me to do and then I do what I want!! And I still got the job.
"The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends." - Shirley MacLaine
You see! You ARE BAAAAAD. (Hence the name "Baddy!)
You are just like my friend Connie. Her husband is always yelling at her about something and she goes, "Uh huh. Okay. Yes. Let's discuss this later. Bye." Then she turns to me and says, "It's been like this for 43 years." And I say, "If I had married him, I would be locked up right now because I would have murdered him and then bragged about it!"
"Be on your guard! Jerks on the loose!"
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"If any relationship involves a flow chart, get out of it...FAST!"
Well Shira it worked for me but I'm not sure I would recommend it. My husband would call it passive rebellion! But it is problably one of the reasons we are still married...don't argue but just do what you think is best for you.
"The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends." - Shirley MacLaine
I have to say that Caldwell and I are pretty well matched. I "remind" him of things he has to do and he gets indignant about it, but when I don't and he forgets, I get blamed for not reminding him. So I'm not going to win. I figure it's better to have him get pissy with me for nudging him rather than keeping my mouth shut because that way things actually get done!!!
"Be on your guard! Jerks on the loose!"
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"If any relationship involves a flow chart, get out of it...FAST!"
Maybe Connie and I should compare notes! Sounds similar. I have learned some things in recent years and handle things a little differently. As Dr. Phil says you teach people how to treat you so I now take responsibility for my part in the relationship and know that if I allow certain treatment then how will it ever change.
"The more I traveled the more I realized that fear makes strangers of people who should be friends." - Shirley MacLaine
Connie "manages" her husband pretty well at this point. But a big part of it is "blocking out" a lot of what he does and says. I get upset sometimes because this is a woman I really love and respect and the way he treats her is inexcusable. I asked her once if she ever fights with him, and she said, "Are you KIDDING?" as if to say, "ALL THE TIME!"
Well, believe it or not, I'm TIRED and am going to try to go to bed. I get to sleep late tomorrow. YAY!
But I'll check in this weekend.
Love to everybody!!!
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"If any relationship involves a flow chart, get out of it...FAST!"
Attend the tale of Bovine Boy
His party threads we all enjoy
But does he have Mad Cow Disease?
He doesn't eat beef - but cows skating? - oh please!!!
With cocoa!?!
And lemonade!?!
The heifer-mad poster of Broadway
(World)
BwAddy -- thanks for the suggestion. I just need a cheap (under 200) for my room here in LA. The rest of the year it will gather dust. Also, I don't belong to Sam's Club! But thank you! I would ADORE a pretty flat screen.