Who you like 2020 Dems — Page 11

Well, 1 article isn’t going to change my mind frankly. Moderates won’t go for Bernie, leftists are scared to get away from him. So who do we blame? If sanders keeps winning, and people are unwilling to join him, then that’s on the moderates. If it’s the other way, that’s on the Bernie supporters. Frankly, it goes both ways in my eyes.

I wish that Democrats would change the narrative around Bernie and not describe him as far left or extreme etc. but simply by world standards a standard fare progressive candidate. Hillary Clinton by UK/European standards was a conservative politician and would have been running as one outside the USA. Of course Bernie seems extreme next to that. It’s time for the USA to finally break free of the ultra conservative shackles it has been stuck with for far too long. Bernie, and perhaps Elizabeth Warren, appears to be the only ones capable of doing this. And the general election polls are still in favour of a Bernie presidency.

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If another candidate were winning states and leading polls, would people be saying this is a disaster? He’s literally winning, people here just hate Bernie.

While yes his numbers are slightly down, idk how you can compare the 2 fields. He was 1 on 1 vs Clinton. He's facing like 8 other candidates here, 5 of which got actual decent % of the vote. There's simply more competition around him now for votes to be spread out, and he STILL won. I personally find that to be impressive. If he continues winning (and hopefully by more $) it just shows he has the strongest and most consistent base of any of these Dem candidates, which is what we will need to win 2020. If votes continue to be spread out against Pete, Amy, and Joe for a bit then the moderates are still undecided. But lets see how Nevada and SC shake out.

My big thing is, and doesn't speak to everyone, I feel more people are voting FOR Bernie, which inspires turnout and excitement. People voting for Pete, Amy, or Joe are still relatively undecided heading into the voting booth, and the spread out of votes between them doesnt signal a unified base to me. Obviously they have their strong supporters, but you see what I'm saying.

javero said: "I'm not here to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for Bernie. It's just that for several of us, this is hardly our first rodeo. It also bears repeating that US Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, a decorated Vietnam war veteran,easily won the Dem party nomination in 2004. He and running mateJohn Edwards were annihilated by the incumbents Dubya and Cheney when much of the nation was vehemently opposed to Bush/Cheney's war in Iraq. Some major GOP fundraisers from Texas founded a tax-exempt political influence group that smeared Kerry's military service record relentlessly. The smear campaignwas so effective that the term "swiftboating" still resonates with voters of a certain age.

It could be argued that Barack Obama was slightly left of Bill Clinton, both being right of Jimmy Carter who only served one term. I respect Carter and really admire Obama, but Bill Clinton was and remains a political mastermind. The man resurrected the contemporary Democratic party.

Finally, the US has the right to self-determination. Nonetheless,if anyone insists on benchmarking the present US election cycle against foreign criteria, then please look no further than the 2019 UK general electionin which Jeremy Corbyn's hard-left leaning Labour Party got its ass handed to it. More grist for the mill is available at the link below. Enjoy.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/21/the-demise-of-the-labour-party-and-the-future-for-uk-socialism/

ETA: It's tough to compare the records of Carter, Clinton, and Obama due to rapid changes in the political landscape in the years that link their presidencies. I'm left wondering how each would have tackled the challenges that the other two faced in their respective presidencies."

Ya I think this is completely fair. Look I'm not shy about my support for Bernie, but im dead-set on getting Trump out of office. Even if that means voting for Bloomberg. That being said though, and as I've said we need to see the primaries play out more, if Bernie continues to win I really believe he's our strongest shot. Id expect some Warren votes to head his way sooner than later. Possibly same with Yang. I just feel Bernie having the strongest "base" to start out, adding in the democratic moderate base, I feel you have a really strong chance at winning the nomination. I live around many conservative and a few are willing to vote Bernie at this point. Clearly doesn't speak for everybody but idk I think people are truly done with Trump, at least more moderate conservatives are.

Happy Valentines Day!!!

The Hill is reporting out that Bloomberg has overtaken Biden and company in the mother of all swing states, Florida. According to a new St Pete poll, Bloomberg takes the lead with a +10 point jump in a month's time versus a 15 point drop by Biden. Deets at the link below.

Poll: Bloomberg overtakes Biden in Florida

But, if you're impatient like me and want somebody, practically anybody, to connect all the dots for you, 270 to win juxtaposes pics of the top three in each of the remaining Dem party races here with the Florida predictions obviously meriting an adjustment.

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Updated On: 2/14/20 at 11:53 AM

ACL2006 said: "A Sanders nomination would give Trump four more years. Bloomberg is just stirring things up. Buttigieg keeps gaining steam and I like it. Let's see what happens come super Tuesday. Biden and Warren are done, IMO."

I agree about Warren, but if Bloomberg implodes at the debate and he continues to flounder trying to answer to his record, that support goes back to Biden. If Biden has a 1st or 2nd place showing in Nevada and wins South Carolina, his campaign goes into Super Tuesday with a "comeback" (of sorts) narrative and those moderate voters who jumped ship to Bloomberg start coming back. The next two weeks will determine if Biden is done.

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Mike Barrett said: "I literally cannot believe democrats might elect Bloomberg as a nominee. I mean, what a disaster on so many levels. So, so many. If its between Bloomberg and Trump you can consider me a Canadian resident at that point. Just speaks to all that matters in this country is $$$$$$."

Two non-Democrats polling number 1 and number 2 nationally for the Democratic nomination. It's an embarrassment.

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Mike Barrett said: "LYLS3637 said: "Mike Barrett said: "I literally cannot believe democrats might elect Bloomberg as a nominee. I mean, what a disaster on so many levels. So, so many. If its between Bloomberg and Trump you can consider me a Canadian resident at that point. Just speaks to all that matters in this country is $$$$$$."

Two non-Democrats polling number 1 and number 2 nationally for the Democratic nomination. It's an embarrassment."

LOL, Bernie is a democrat. And Bloomberg was a former Republican.But okay. Again, $$$ is all that matters in America if Mike Bloomberg gets the nomination. He didn't even participate in the first caucus or Primary, how does anybody take him seriously? If someone WANTED to be President, they'd be on the ground, doing campaign rallies, participating in all debates leading up to Iowa and NH, but nope. Mike is just going to buy ad time to makeup for it. We're such a messed up country people but okay go and vote for another racist NY billionaire. Worked so great last time!

Aslo, and blame them if you want, but if YOU want Trump out of office, Bloomberg is NOT the candidate for it. So many Bernie voters will not vote for him. Again, blame them if you want, but don't nominate Bloomberg if you want a chance at beating Trump. Plain and simple."


No sorry-- Bernie is a "Democrat" when it suits him. He never assisted in any DCCC/DSCC organizing unless it directly benefited him, never lifted a finger for Democratic Congressional candidates, and only changed his party registration when he needed party resources/infrastructure (of which he was responsible for NONE of) for his 2016 campaign. He's not a Democrat-- I don't care what the letter after his name reads now. He's as much of a D as Bloomberg is.

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Updated On: 2/19/20 at 11:59 AM

Mike Barrett said: "Ya besucase the DNC continues to not support him and changes the rules for (the only person to donate to the DNC) Mike Bloomberg because they don't want Bernie. If I were Bernie id tell them to F off too.

Mind you, Bernie has strongly supported LGBTQ rights since the 1980s, continually fought major corporations for taxes on the wealth and to lower taxes for lower income families, fought for civil rights for minorities and vowed to end racism to protect our democracy, he's anti-corruption, his continued fight for women's right and livelihood, but sure, Bernie is a MONSTER, isn't he?

Lets add in Michael Bloomberg is a former republican, STOP AND FRISK, has sexist comment allegations against him (wealthy billionaires in NY seem to like doing this), and apparently now HE'S a democrat. If you're trying to compare Bernie and Bloomberg on terms of being a more "worthy" Democrat, this isn't even close. Like, not even close."

So Bernie shouldn't expect any help from the DNC then. It's a private political organization-- with its own membership. Don't like it-- step up and get some blood in the game. Now you wanna be a team player when it helps you accumulate political power? Where have you been for 30 years Bernie? And that goes for Bloomberg too. I don't know why you're lecturing me about how bad Bloomberg is. You ain't saying anything I don't already know.

I'm a Democrat-- therefore, Bloomberg, Sanders, Steyer, and Gabbard are my LEAST favorite of those running (and that's vastly understating my dislike of them.) Mark my words: if the Democrats nominate any of those four-- we lose... horrifically.

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Updated On: 2/19/20 at 12:20 PM

Mike Barrett said: "Well we're screwed then, cause Bloomberg is rising and Bernie is leading by 15 points according to some polls. Democrats need young voters to help them win in 2020, Bernie will get you that. If he was there in 2016 I fully believe we would have won. But okay, Bernie is someone who works FOR the people. Not for any political organization or coporation, THE PEOPLE. You know, the ones who voted and elected him. Like every freaking candidate should. American politics is as corrupt as it gets, Bernie is the most transparent and least corrupt candidate we have. I do not understand why people (not you) are voting for Bloomberg. Its a less tame Trump, which goes against everything every democrat has stood for. Bernie's policies and voting records certainly show that he's much more of a Democrat than any of the other 3 they mentioned. Lets see what happens in SC and Nevada and not only cause I am a Bernie supporter, I'm saying this in general, id get more welcome to the idea of a Bernie Sanders Presidency. If its not going to be him at this point id love for people to point me towards who could win. Is it Amy? Is it Pete? Seems like Bernie consistently has the biggest support across the country. I think people need to start accepting that"

Historically, young people don't vote-- Broken out by age, the percentage of young voter participation remained statistically stagnant between the 2008 and 2016 primaries (15% and 17%). Sanders was on the ballot and couldn't convince enough young people to get off their butts and vote for him in a primary. Not exactly a strong case for his voter turnout abilities.

Oh and the 78-year-old Senator had a heart attack barely four months ago and now refuses to release a full medical report. That's comforting-- so much for transparency.

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Updated On: 2/19/20 at 02:32 PM

LYLS3637 said: "Mike Barrett said: "Well we're screwed then, cause Bloomberg is rising and Bernie is leading by 15 points according to some polls. Democrats need young voters to help them win in 2020, Bernie will get you that. If he was there in 2016 I fully believe we would have won. But okay, Bernie is someone who works FOR the people. Not for any political organization or coporation, THE PEOPLE. You know, the ones who voted and elected him. Like every freaking candidate should. American politics is as corrupt as it gets, Bernie is the most transparent and least corrupt candidate we have. I do not understand why people (not you) are voting for Bloomberg. Its a less tame Trump, which goes against everything every democrat has stood for. Bernie's policies and voting records certainly show that he's much more of a Democrat than any of the other 3 they mentioned. Lets see what happens in SC and Nevada and not only cause I am a Bernie supporter, I'm saying this in general, id get more welcome to the idea of a Bernie Sanders Presidency. If its not going to be him at this point id love for people to point me towards who could win. Is it Amy? Is it Pete? Seems like Bernie consistently has the biggest support across the country. I think people need to start accepting that"

Historically, young people don't vote-- Broken out by age, the percentage of young voter participationremained statistically stagnant between the 2008 and 2016 primaries (15% and 17%). Sanders was on the ballot and couldn't convince enough young people to get off their butts and vote for him in a primary. Not exactly a strong case for his voter turnout abilities.

Oh and the Senatorhada heart attack barely four months ago and now refuses to release afull medical report. That's comforting-- so much for transparency."

If thats the 1 thing he isn't transparent about, ill take it. Idk why he needs to release his entire medical records for the public to see. At least he isn't lying with regards to where his campaign donations come from, his policies, his foreign affairs/affilations, he's been consistent for what he stands for and believes in since he started as a Senator. Im happy about that, no other candidate other than Amy I would say is as consistent as he has been throughout his career. But, I will say his health worries me. Can't deny that.

Turner vote out in primaries is historically lower than general elections, as well. Not a great judge and he only had 1 competitor in Hillary, one of the most famous names in Politics. Id say he ran a fantastic campaign for not being a political "star". Send him to the general and he has the millennial vote, WHICH WE NEED. People will vote in the general to oust trump, he got less votes than Hillary. Imagine if we nominated a candidate that actually inspires their supporters to vote for them and their policies, and believe in them? That's what Bernie has done so far. He's got the most donations, highest crowds at rallies, and leads the national poll. Again, the only people saying Bernie can't win are the ones who won't vote for him. He has the largest base of any candidate out there.