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[Highland Guy]

Posted: 2/19/20 at 8:44pm

Just watched former Senator Harry Reid speak at the pre-debate.  He looks a bit frail, but his message was strong::  "We're going to thump Trump".

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 8:37am

Wildcard said: "Bernie and his followers are the Democratic equivalent of the Tea Party. Too extreme and unwilling to compromise. That's not how you get things done and I don't want another president who is only president of a few, not all Americans. As great as some of Bernie's ideas are, they will never pass unless he has full control of the house and senate. And should they pass, they will cause further division in the country. I've had enough of that. As a result of a socialist government, I wouldn't want my taxes to go up further either. I pay enough and feel hardships as a result of high taxes as it is. As a staunch democrat, the concept that I would even consider 4 more years of the orange sh!t versus voting for Bernie should give you an idea of how divisive he is."

That's utterly pathetic you would rather have an authoritarian dictator as our President, truly shameful. Enjoy losing your democracy. 

So, people would rather lose their democracy than their health care. Got it. Jesus Christ this country is so goddamn STUPID. That's right, STU-PID. If you'd rather have Trump you are not a staunch democrat. Bernie is your guys best shot, keep denying, and keep getting Trump another victory. Good lord this comment is an embarrassment to you. You'd rather have Trump than Bernie? Seriously? At least Bernie isn't hurting people, not racist, not sexist, working fr the country. Trump is a dictator, a bully, a racist, bought out by Russia, NOT EVEN WORKING FOR THE US, IGNORING OUR LAWS, RIGGING OUR ELECTIONS, I could go on and on and on. 

The fact you'd vote for Trump over Bernie is so utterly shameful. SHAME. ON. YOU. Truly, I mean that. Don't vote for Bernie in the primary idc, but never complain about Trump being the President EVER again if you're not committed to voting Blue no matter what in November. Bernie or not. Seriously, gtfo. Staunch Democrat lol no you're not if you're even considering voting for Donald. Didn't think id wake up to this level of stupidity today after that debate last night. Leaving this thread after this comment. Truly, just what a joke. Its fine if people don't support Bernie now but if you all would SERIOUSLY vote for Trump over him you need to look yourself in the mirror and get a reality check. Just terrible for people who have paid attention that anyone would consider voting for trump. Truly, shame on you. Total, complete, and utter shame. 

 

Updated On: 2/20/20 at 08:37 AM

[Wildcard]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 12:53pm

Bernie Sanders: "99% of my followers are good people"

Mike Barrett: "Hold my beer…"

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 12:57pm

Wildcard said: "Bernie Sanders: "99% of my followers are good people"

Mike Barrett: "Hold my beer…""

And you said you'd consider voting for Trump... my entire post stands. Thank you. 

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 2:40pm

I don’t like Bloomberg at all. But I agree I’ll vote for him or Sanders or whoever is the Democratic nominee in November. Now you know how we feel about Sanders supporters who refused/refuse to vote for the non-Sanders Democratic nominee in November 2016/2020. I hope you aim this same vitriol at your friends who you’ve said fall in this camp.

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 3:35pm

Miles2Go2 said: "I don’t like Bloomberg at all. But I agree I’ll vote for him or Sanders or whoever is the Democratic nominee in November. Now you know how we feel about Sanders supporters who refused/refuse to vote for the non-Sanders Democratic nominee in November 2016/2020. I hope you aim this same vitriol at your friends who you’ve said fall in this camp. "

Obviously can’t prove it, but I sure as hell have been. If you guys think I’m annoying on this message board, imagine me in person :) DNC should probably back Bernie though if they want the results they’re hoping for. Instead, they change the rules for the only candidate to donate to them, Bloomberg. That’s why I support Bernie whole heartedly because we have a rigged system and he’s here to fight against it. That includes the DNC, but they’ll do everything they can to stop him. It’s sad honestly. Meanwhile he keeps on winning and leading in national polls but he isn’t “electable”. Here’s a theory, with his very strong and wide base, imagine if moderates went to vote for him! Imagine the turnout? Not even cause he’s my candidate, I think we can all agree he has the largest voter base/support of any candidate out there at the moment. People are inspired to vote for BERNIE, not just inspired to vote trump out. We need more people who feel insipired to vote FOR a candidate, rather than against one. That causes voter turnout. We shall see how things progress. 
 

but Lordy, voting for trump over any of these people after the impeachment trial is unforgivable. It’s pretty unforgivable from 2016 too, and I’ve said Bernie supporters can be ignorant but frankly, when there’s a clear system constantly rigged against them in favor of people like Michael Bloomberg, why would they feel inspired to vote? Honest question, not defending their actions just asking the question for the group. 
 

If it’s because they need to sacrifice some of their policies to vote for the best candidate in the country, I’d same the same to all of you who don’t want to vote for Bernie. Regardless of policy, I simply believe he’s our best shot. 

 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 4:26pm

I've watched all the debates to date.  And I've (mostly) paid close attention to what each candidate had to say.  As we move closer to November, here is my "favorites" ranking thus far (noting that Joe Biden has always been my first choice).  Please post your ranking, if you're so inclined.    

1.  Biden

2.  Warren

3.  Klobuchar

4.  Bloomberg

5.  Buttigieg

6.  Sanders

 

 

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/20/20 at 8:39pm

Mine personally would be:

1. Sanders
2. Warren
3. Klobuchar
4. Buttigieg
5. Joe Biden
6. Bloomberg

[Gorlois]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 7:11am

1. Buttigieg
2. Biden
3. Warren
4. Klobuchar
5. Sanders
6. Bloomberg

Updated On: 2/21/20 at 07:11 AM

[LYLS3637]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 8:24am

Gorlois said:

"1. Buttigieg
2. Biden
3. Warren
4. Klobuchar
5. Sanders
6. Bloomberg"

^This right here! 

[javero]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 8:49am

1. Klobuchar
2. Bloomberg
3. Biden
4. Buttigieg
5. Warren
6. Sanders

[artscallion]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 8:58am

This is based not on who I think is best, but on a combination of who I think is best and who has the best chance of beating Trump. I will vote for, campaign for, and donate to whichever one wins the primary.

My ideal would be Warren for prez with Buttigieg as her running mate. Then with 4-8 years WH experience under his belt, he can grab the torch in 2028.

1. Warren

2. Buttigieg

3. Sanders

4. Klobuchar

5. Bloomburg

6. Biden

[kdogg36]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 10:00am

javero said: "1. Klobuchar
2. Bloomberg
3. Biden
4. Buttigieg
5. Warren
6. Sanders"

As a fellow libertarian (though I suspect a more doctrinaire one than you), I am thoroughly flummoxed at your ranking of Bloomberg. His record as NYC mayor is shot through with authoritarianism and nanny-statism - he’s about as far from a libertarian as you can get. I think he’d be horrifying in many of the ways that Trump is horrifying, only he’d be shrewder and therefore more pernicious. 

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 10:19am

I’ve already submitted my absentee ballot and I’ll support whoever the eventual Democratic nominee is, so this is somewhat meaningless for me, but here we go:


1. Klobuchar

2. Buttigieg

3. Biden

4. Warren

5. Sanders

6. Bloomberg

[east side story]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 1:01pm

My gut is telling me we will be seeing Buttigieg on the ticket, if only veep. 

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 2/21/20 at 1:57pm

1. Buttigieg
2. Warren
3. Sanders
4. Biden
5. Klobuchar
6. Bloomberg

Although, as someone else stated, I wouldn't mind seeing a Warren/Buttigieg ticket or even a Sanders/Buttgieg if it came down to it. 

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 2/23/20 at 5:17pm

Whether you like Sanders or not (me, not so much), you can’t deny that he did very well in Nevada. Should be interesting to see what happens in South Carolina and, after that, on Super Tuesday. Unless things shift dramatically, it’s pretty clear that the eventual candidate will be a B: Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg (ugh), or (underdog) Buttigieg.

It’s quite possible that we will go into the Democratic convention with no one with the prerequisite number of delegates to lock their candidacy. Then it comes down to the super delegates. Should be interesting...

I do think this may leave some candidates in the race longer than we might’ve anticipated as they’re hoping that if they have a decent amount of delegates, they might hate a a chance at the convention, especially as others drop out and can attract their voters/delegates. Still, as much as it pains me, I think the days are numbered for Klobuchar unless she surprises on Super Tuesday. I do think she’s make a great running mate.

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 2/23/20 at 5:36pm

Whether you like Sanders or not (me, not so much), you can’t deny that he did very well in Nevada. Should be interesting to see what happens in South Carolina and, after that, on Super Tuesday. Unless things shift dramatically, it’s pretty clear that the eventual candidate will be a B: Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg (ugh), or (underdog) Buttigieg.

It’s quite possible that we will go into the Democratic convention with no one with the prerequisite number of delegates to lock their candidacy. Then it comes down to the super delegates. Should be interesting...

I do think this may leave some candidates in the race longer than we might’ve anticipated as they’re hoping that if they have a decent amount of delegates, they might have a chance at the convention, especially as others drop out and they can possibly attract their voters/delegates. Still, as much as it pains me, I think the days are numbered for Klobuchar unless she surprises on Super Tuesday. I do think she’d make a great running mate.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 2/23/20 at 7:25pm

As an outsider who watched from afar knowing full well Trump would win in 2016 based on his employed manipulations...

I like Bernie and I think he is the best thing for the country...in the long run, but he is poison. The Russians are already telling you this by backing him as they know if he wins the nomination he will never beat Trump. 

I think they need a moderate as you need swing voters more than anything else, as the rest will vote down party lines and I don't believe anyone who can be labelled 'socialist' is going to get those swing votes.

Whoever wins the nomination HAS to stop slagging Trump. That is how he won last time. The Dems and the media turned him into a victim of non stop bullying and people didn't like it, even if they didn't like him and the things he did. They created a victim and he sat back and road that wave of sympathy/empathy to victory and he will do it again if they don't stop.

We have seen this time and time again with him. Every time he is 'taken down' regardless of the fact he is ALWAYS guilty, his numbers go up. This is how psychopaths (FFS please STOP using this idiotic narcissist word, it underplays what he is!) work, by turning themselves into victims and making people feel sorry for them. Once you've got them on side, you can do anything and they will put up with anything because you have their empathy.

I do not understand how people are not noticing it happening every single damn time!

If it doesn't stop, it won't matter who wins the nomination, Trump will win again.

Personally, I think the Dems would be best to let him win the election and instead do all they can to win back the Senate and retain the House. If they get rid of McConnell and win back the majority in the Senate, he will be much easier to impeach. There will be so much more to get him on by election time, it could be done very easily and he'd be out a number of weeks. 

If he loses, he has almost 3 months in power before the next President is sworn in and that is IF he leaves. That is literally going to be the longest and most stressful 3 months in the history of the universe for the entire world. 

He is currently the most powerful psychopath in the world, with the support of the 2nd most powerful psychopath on earth. If you think he is going anywhere based on election results, you've got another thing coming....

[dented146]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 1:43am

Bernie has a passionate following but at the end of the day he is far left of enough mainstream democrats that I personally don't believe he can win. And I believe he would cost the party many seats in the House and Senate. Trump won because he made inroads into traditional mainstream democratic households. You may hate him for the liar and head case that he is, but he has done a good job trying to make good on his promises. The notion that he has not really done much for the economy is nonsense. It's almost the silliest talking point I've ever heard. Wages are up. Business is good. Unemployment is down. China is stealing less tech. Nafta is indeed repackaged but it's a little better. Same with Canada.

And, like Trump, Sanders is also a divider. I believe if Sanders is nominated, Trump will just peel off more moderate democrats who will believe Sanders would be bad for the economy and the stock market. I have always thought that Trump would be a disaster for the Republicans and perhaps it will one day come to pass. But I never thought he could do this much damage to the Democrats.

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 9:21am

I ask this genuinely of all of you, who is our candidate to win then? All I hear is people have already accepted 4 years of Trump, why that attitude? I don't love all these candidates either but we should all be goaled with rallying behind whoever the candidate is. So, who is that? Not who you like the most, but who you think will win? If we all don't believe we can win, then we won't. Need to have a more positive mindset. If people are saying we've already lost, we've lost. And if you're not committed to voting for any of these candidates (whether it be Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, etc), then you are also electing Donald Trump to a 2nd term. To me this primary (as really any primary) is dead focused on electing the candidate who can beat Trump. Remember he did lose the popular vote and The House in 2018, so things aren't impossible here if we can get a group to rally against the President in this election. We can do it guys, just gotta set your promise to vote Blue no matter what. 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 1:49pm

Mike Barrett said: "I ask this genuinely of all of you, who is our candidate to win then? All I hear is people have already accepted 4 years of Trump, why that attitude? I don't love all these candidates either but we should all be goaled with rallying behind whoever the candidate is. So, who is that? Not who you like the most, but who you think will win? If we all don't believe we can win, then we won't. Need to have a more positive mindset. If people are saying we've already lost, we've lost. And if you're not committed to voting for any of these candidates (whether it be Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, etc), then you are also electing Donald Trump to a 2nd term. To me this primary (as really any primary) is dead focused on electing the candidate who can beat Trump. Remember he did lose the popular vote and The House in 2018, so things aren't impossible here if we can get a group to rally against the President in this election. We can do it guys, just gotta set your promise to vote Blue no matter what."

I don't think the problem is him winning or losing, I think the problem is getting him out of the White House either way x

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 2:08pm

Impossible2 said: "Mike Barrett said: "I ask this genuinely of all of you, who is our candidate to win then? All I hear is people have already accepted 4 years of Trump, why that attitude? I don't love all these candidates either but we should all be goaled with rallying behind whoever the candidate is. So, who is that? Not who you like the most, but who you think will win? If we all don't believe we can win, then we won't. Need to have a more positive mindset. If people are saying we've already lost, we've lost. And if you're not committed to voting for any of these candidates (whether it be Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, etc), then you are also electing Donald Trump to a 2nd term. To me this primary (as really any primary) is dead focused on electing the candidate who can beat Trump. Remember he did lose the popular vote and The House in 2018, so things aren't impossible here if we can get a group to rally against the President in this election. We can do it guys, just gotta set your promise to vote Blue no matter what."

I don't think the problem is him winning or losing, I think the problem is getting him out of the White House either way x"

Well yes, of course. Especially with an entire party working for him like a king. But, baby steps my friend. Gotta start at step 1. 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 2:22pm

Mike Barrett said: "Impossible2 said: "Mike Barrett said: "I ask this genuinely of all of you, who is our candidate to win then? All I hear is people have already accepted 4 years of Trump, why that attitude? I don't love all these candidates either but we should all be goaled with rallying behind whoever the candidate is. So, who is that? Not who you like the most, but who you think will win? If we all don't believe we can win, then we won't. Need to have a more positive mindset. If people are saying we've already lost, we've lost. And if you're not committed to voting for any of these candidates (whether it be Bernie, Bloomberg, Biden, etc), then you are also electing Donald Trump to a 2nd term. To me this primary (as really any primary) is dead focused on electing the candidate who can beat Trump. Remember he did lose the popular vote and The House in 2018, so things aren't impossible here if we can get a group to rally against the President in this election. We can do it guys, just gotta set your promise to vote Blue no matter what."

I don't think the problem is him winning or losing, I think the problem is getting him out of the White House either way x"

Well yes, of course. Especially with an entire party working for him like a king. But, baby steps my friend. Gotta start at step 1."

Oh I am with you, he has got to go, but I just don't know how that is going to happen.

I watch Maddow in complete horror every night of the week.

It is frankly unbelievable, though we are no better as the morons have just voted his twin brother into power over here and his incoming policies are every single bit as frightening...

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 2/24/20 at 3:01pm

Wow. I had my mail held while I was gone last week and it was delivered today and I had three separate mailers from the Bloomberg campaign. Should be interesting to see how all of this money he’s pumping into advertising translates into actual votes.