clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 17

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 7/19/15 at 3:26pm

Nearly 12,000 supporters showed up for Bernie in redder-than-red Arizona.

Also, check out the #BernieSoBlack hashtag currently burning up Twitter.

Updated On: 7/19/15 at 03:26 PM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 7:14am

"Sanders is against corporations. Except corporations that make guns."

 LOL

Obama Donors Flocking To Sanders

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 8:48am

PalJoey's repeated jab against one questionable stance is rather tiresome.

I don't really like the guy but let's be real for a second... Bernie Sanders is from Vermont, and many of his liberal constituents support gun rights because of the prolific nature of hunting in his state. 

What I love is that PalJoey never seems to directly address any of Hillary Clinton's criticisms. Instead, he pretends like you never wrote to him and throws up some biased op-ed. You all realize he's blatantly ignoring you, right? Erik, Borstal, South Florida, etc.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 8:59am

Hilary Clinton's criticisms of what?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 10:28am

You all realize he's blatantly ignoring you, right?

 

Yes, of course. We all understand. Everyone makes their points without rancor or bitterness.

Except YOU.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 5:00pm

PJ and I have both been posting on this board for over 10 years. Over that amount of time you develop a history with someone. So although I may not agree with everything he says I always respect his viewpoint. I feel the same way about a lot of the other long time posters on this board. Other than a few right wing, racist trolls who I largely try to avoid. So I'm not really interested into getting into personal attacks with PJ or anybody else who posts here regularly.

I picture us having this discussion in some fabulous gay bar playing show tunes over amazing cocktails. Not screaming at each other across the Thanksgiving table. Or whatever else the opposite of that may be.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 6:18pm

First round is on me. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 7:03pm

If those cocktails aren't flaming, you've chosen the wrong bar.

[Steve C.]

Posted: 7/20/15 at 9:44pm

The Sanders/Clinton debate reminds me so much of past political races and their PR machines....remember when Howard Dean was starting out and he was getting all the crowds and filling town halls to overflowing?? I even drove to Virginia for a rally for Dean and I live in Northern Maryland. As much as I like what Sanders is saying I just don't think he'll make it all the way to November. And not to be preachy and I don't want to start a war here, I believe Hillary Clinton is just better qualified Period. I hate when I hear that's it's just her time. She was one of the best Secretary of State's this country has ever had; when she was the Senator from New York, again, she got things done in the Senate, then throw in eight years as First Lady, and on and on. I proudly have a Hillary Rainbow bumper sticker.

So I'd vote for Bernie this month and I hope he stays talking, but I don't think he could ultimately win.

 

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 7/21/15 at 4:47am

PJ couldn't have said it any better.

[South Florida]

Posted: 7/21/15 at 5:04am

I picture us having this discussion in some fabulous gay bar playing show tunes over amazing cocktails. Not screaming at each other across the Thanksgiving table. Or whatever else the opposite of that may be.

"And by God there will be dancing"

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 7/21/15 at 8:17am

"If those cocktails aren't flaming, you've chosen the wrong bar. "

 Words to live by!

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 7/21/15 at 10:06am

She was one of the best Secretary of State's this country has ever had

If you're going to make such a statement, you should be able to list said accomplishments. Care to share why/how?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 7/21/15 at 10:23am

Antagony! by Headband. A scent for a man and a troll 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 9:56am

Hillary gets accused by Mitch McConnell of "playing the gender card" and she doubles down.

 

POLITICO: This time, Hillary Clinton embraces 'gender card' McConnell’s attack was a moment her campaign had been waiting for

 

She is also being criticized by Carly Fiorina of failing to condemn Planned Parenthood in the current manufactured scandal. The stakes are high: the GOP is out to destroy Planned Parenthood completely and forever, calling these edited videos "evidence of atrocities."

Bernie played this wrong, buying into the narrative on the videos and criticizing Planned Parenthood for a "tone" that was the product of editing. Women will remember that he did that.

 

CNN: Bernie Sanders: 'Tone' of Planned Parenthood video 'terribly wrong'

 

The GOP wants Hillary to do what Bernie did. So far she hasn't. But her response to Mitch McConnell contained a not-so-veiled reference it when she said that the gender card was played “every time Republicans vote against giving women equal pay, deny families access to affordable child care or family leave, refuse to let women make decisions about their health or have access to free contraception."

Let's see if she can outmaneuver the GOP and not fall into the trap that Bernie did.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 12:03pm

Seeing as how PP already publicly apologized for the "tone" used in the videos, Bernie was simply agreeing with the organization's own negative assessment. He did not go any further. Good for him. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 12:56pm

" Women will remember that he did that."

I don't know...plenty of my women friends, who are staunch supporters of Planned Parenthood, were disturbed by the tone of that video too. 

Although I agree with PJ that this wasn't Sanders finest moment. I just don't think it's going to have much of an effect on his campaign.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 12:58pm

There is no need to agree or disagree, as there is nothing to agree or disagree on. Sanders was simply affirming the public apology already issued by Planned Parenthood about the "tone" of these videos. Context is everything. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 2:45pm

The tone of the video was manipulated by the opposition researchers who edited it and released it.

The entire right-of-center is uniting behind the Defund Planned Parenthood Act of 2015, introduced Tuesday night by Republican Rep. Diane Black from Tennessee. The president would never sign it, but each of the Republican presidential candidates will run on it, using words about Planned Parenthood like "atrocity" and "baby killer."

Also, the House Energy and Commerce Committee is "investigating" the organization. It's the new Benghazi.

It's important not to enable them.

[madbrian]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 3:08pm

I thought it was the new ACORN.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 3:25pm

The ramifications are worse than what happened to ACORN. This time what's at stake is women's health.

 

NY TIMES: EDITORIAL The Campaign of Deception Against Planned Parenthood

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 3:53pm

The tone of the video was manipulated by the opposition researchers who edited it and released it.

And I am not denying that but PP already publicly apologized in an officially circulated/published statement for the "tone" of their employees in the video. Why are you criticizing Sanders for agreeing with PP's stated apology? 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 4:45pm

I've already explained that. 

Why do you persist in being annoying? Is it something you cannot help? Were you born annoying? Or do you wake up every morning and say, "A new day! Let me think of new ways to annoy people!"

[South Florida]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 4:55pm

This is amusing, I don't know who it came from and I couldn't answer because th account does not accept PM's.

Hi SF, your permission or just ignore

 

Hi SF

This is Steve in MD. I posted a reply in Clinton/Sanders and I said I didn't want to start a war but somebody named Headband is egging me on...Should I ignore her or do a public reply? I just wanted your permission to do it or not on your board. He or She is doing that to a few other posts too.

Thanks again, Steve

 

Since this thread started PJ has been reading a barrage of Anti-Clinton stuff.  He is her lone supporter in this thread. It's like 8-1, I'm not piling on.  I'll end up voting for her. Oh, and Steve, if this is legit, Liza is OK, and likes getting in your face.  You want my permission, that's funny.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 7/22/15 at 5:19pm

I'm far from alone. Hillary's favorables among Democrats are still 80-85%.

And, besides, no one is alone.