clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 45

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 4:21pm

The world needs her in the White House. 

 

Jesus Christ, you're a sick f*ck. We already had her in the White House for eight years, and in the State Department for another four. Could you provide a list of 10 reasons to even reasonably justify this incredible statement? 

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 4:22pm

No comment on the donors.  What if Elizabeth Warren were running, would "all you people" (Thanks PJ) still be for Clinton?  What else is it besides the perceived electability factor that makes you like her more than him?  

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 4:55pm

The world needs her in the White House is real funny.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 11:27pm

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 12:11am

 Could you provide a list of 10 reasons to even reasonably justify this incredible statement? 

 

TRAP TRAP TRAP

 

Now it's 10!!!!!  

 

What'll it be tomorrow white boy?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 12:37am

I bet you could find a list like that on about.com!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 9:13am

Haaaaaa!

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 10:04am

I bet you could find a list like that on about.com!

 

No clue. You'd have to ask FindingNamo about that.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 10:27am

I will!

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 11:55am

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/19/ready-warren-group-formally-endorses-bernie-sanders-president.html

Ready For Warren Officially Endorses Sanders. 

"But having demonstrated how much support Elizabeth Warren has, we’ve spent the past few weeks listening to our grassroots supporters and the progressive community about what they want to do next. And one thing we heard time and again is that they’re ready to play a big role in 2016, fighting alongside Warren on issues like trade, student debt, and reining in Wall Street.
They are also ready to back “Warren Wing” candidates who embody Warren’s fearless brand of progressive populism. And although it isn’t just about the presidency, 58% of supporters have urged us to back Bernie Sanders as the candidate currently running for president who best embodies the values that Warren champions.
That’s why on Friday, Ready for Warren is launching a new grassroots initiative called Ready to Fight — and Ready to Fight is endorsing Bernie Sanders as its candidate for president.

Why?
Because while Warren is the champion who inspired this movement, the draft effort was never just about her — it’s about her message and the values she represents. Bernie Sanders has caught fire in a way that’s reminiscent of the draft Warren movement itself — from the Internet to town halls in Iowa, Sanders has captured the imagination and support of people looking for a real progressive challenger in the 2016 Democratic primary."

 

 

[Icehouse Life]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 12:19pm

Long time, no talk here...

I'm standing by Bernie. I'm very much of a Scandinavian-style social democrat within my progressive political and social stance like he is. He brings forth issues that MUST be brought to light into the mainstream. Hillary? HELL NO! She's too neoliberal for my liking and still beholden to Wall St., even if espouses restricting banks and addressing income inequality. Not a big fan of political dynasties. If she gets the Democratic nod, I'm moving towards the Greens, Socialist Party USA, Peace and Freedom, or the Socialist Workers without any subsequent remorse. They need to be in the mainstream debates too since we are far more diverse than we give ourselves credit. The whole political structure in the United States must seriously change. I'll discuss more later on. 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 12:47pm

The whole political structure in the United States must seriously change. 

 

THIS. ^^^^^^

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 12:55pm

 

 

Icehouse Life said: "still beholden to Wall St., even if espouses restricting banks and addressing income inequality"

If she espouses restricting banks and addressing income equality, then she's not beholden to Wall Street.

 

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 1:09pm

She is beholden to them if she takes money from them... 

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 1:17pm

Irrespective of what she espouses or from whom she accepts money, we won't know if she's beholden to them until she acts for them or against them.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 1:35pm

But the history of politics could certainly give you an indication of what will happen. I can probably count on my hand the number of times a President, over the last thirty years, has broken away and favored a policy that is in direct conflict with a group he is beholden to. The most recent and glaring example being Obama's trade deal (and the generous unions not happy with him for it). He pretty much toed the line on everything else, including common core and education. What logical person develops a national curriculum without any input from the major teacher unions or education associations instead opting for input exclusively from executives from standardized testing corporations? A great example of a politician paying back a group of supporters and caring more about that. 

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 2:00pm

I think we all see what we want to see.  I could look at the same scenario and say that Obama took huge donations from unions, including teachers unions, so that would be an example of him not being beholden.

Updated On: 10/9/15 at 02:00 PM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 3:43pm

... Except that he did, in fact, return the favor to those unions by later pushing back against school choice and charter schools. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 4:09pm

^^^ A favorite bugaboo for right wing libertarians.

 

The band doesn't do a single thing to actually make the change he wants to see.  He makes fun of people who do concrete things in their lives to make the world a better place for others.

 

All he's doing to change the world is hectoring people on this off-topic board.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 5:12pm

School choice promotes accessible education for minorities. Many Democrats, not just "right wing libertarians" (what does that even mean?), are in favor of it. Please do your research. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 6:08pm

Many Democrats who are beholden to Wall Street love school choice.

Arne Duncan has been a disaster. And if you knew anything about education you would know teacher's unions are not a fan of Obama's education policies.

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 7:09pm

It's plain to see who the wealthy are for and who poor people are for.  Pick your team.

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 8:59pm

 

Oh, it is not. Your simplistic reductive pronouncements are as incorrect as they are insulting.

 

You do NOT speak for all the poor, not does Bernie.. So stop asserting that you do.

 

The world is vastly more complex--and interesting!--than your insipid reduction.

 

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 9:12pm

No it's not.

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 9:22pm

I can't argue with "you people".  You've given up values for "electability".  Or however you spell that.