clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 46

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/9/15 at 10:00pm

Jesus Christ

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/10/15 at 7:29pm

"The progressive activists are unifying behind Bernie Sanders as the Hillary Clinton alternative in the Democratic field. This is horrible news for Martin O’Malley and every other Democratic candidate, as the contest for the Democratic nomination is effectively a two-person race."

These people must consider themselves important Erik, I don't think so.

And that is an arrogant thing to say anyway.  Watch the O'Malley love happen after that first debate, Hillary may soon find herself in third.

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/10/15 at 7:32pm

Looking forward to this debate, definitely snacks and beer.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 1:42pm

 

Every hopelessly naive Bernie supporter should be required to read this article. No--not just READ this bone-chilling article. Every hopelessly naive Bernie supporter should be required to read this bone-chilling article out loud to at least one other hopelessly naive Bernie supporter.

 

NY TIMES: The Families Funding the 2016 Presidential Election 

 

Bernie can't beat these people. These people eat Bernie Sanders for breakfast, like so much old and crunchy granola. Joe Biden can't beat these people. These people would love to have Biden on the ticket--he would make it easier for them.

 

Only Hillary can beat these people. And they know it.

 

Updated On: 10/12/15 at 01:42 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 3:25pm

I just read this.  Hillary is one of those people PJ.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 3:33pm

 

You have an uncanny knack for missing the point.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 3:34pm

I think he just likes bumping the thread because he's the one who started it. 

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 3:59pm

What point did I miss?

Rich people are spending historically higher amounts on candidates?

What is the part of the article that's supposed to take my breath away and just concede Hillary is the only one who can win?

Why should I abandon hope that a real progressive who cares about poor people can get the nomination?

I've already stated my intention to vote for the Democratic nominee.  What about this article should make me not want to support Bernie?

Why are all the major banks, the same ones who grounded the poor into the dirt, behind Hillary?

I don't think you understand how much she is despised by the right wing nut jobs.  I could just keep posting, but your point always comes back to the assertion that Sanders is too radical for the country's palate.  I think you underestimate how much a Clinton nomination will galvanize the GOP forces more than Bernie Sanders could ever do.  In any case I'm not going to abandon the causes I believe in because they are too far a stretch, why do you insist on trying to change our minds?  There is nothing new in that article.

Jay, I could care less who started this thread, I don't expect to find fame posting in here

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 4:09pm

That article is the fleshed out version of Kate Clinton's argument for supporting Hillary even if you love the Bernie fantasy. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 4:52pm

 

South Florida said: "Why are all the major banks, the same ones who grounded the poor into the dirt, behind Hillary?"

 

They're not. And she's not behind them. That's just the facile notion of the Hillary-hating left.

 

But don't take my word for it; Read this article by Kevin Drum in that good ol' leftist magazine MOTHER JONES, about how Hillary wants to cut the Mega-Banks down to size. Yes, that's right: Hillary Clinton Wants to Cut Mega-Banks Down to Size.

 

 MOTHER JONES: Hillary Clinton Wants to Cut Mega-Banks Down to Size

 

Or super-duper progressive blogger Matt Yglesias, on Vox:

 

VOX.COM: Hillary Clinton's plan to tame big banks shows her at her wonkish best

 

She is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more propgressive than you allow yourself to think her to be. And, in the end, she would be a much effective advocate for the middle class and the poor than Bernie could ever manage to be, despite all his fine words and good intentions.

 

 

Updated On: 10/12/15 at 04:52 PM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 5:11pm

And, in the end, she would be a much effective advicate for the middle class and the poor than Bernie could ever manage to be, despite all his fine words and good intentions.

 

Do you have facts to back this up? As a Senator in NY, she sure didn't do much. Just found ways to repay her Wall Street backers. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 5:41pm

Will you need 10 things or are you planning on moving the goalposts again, hard line right winger hiding in plain sight?

[Kad]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 6:15pm

Bernie has to win over the swaths of minority voters who aren't letting themselves feel the Bern- probably because they're not as liberal, or because Bernie hasn't tailored a message that incorporates racial equality as strongly. But he's not doing so hot outside of white people.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 6:26pm

Aren't you surprised that's not an issue for the 'band, who's a person of col--ah ha ha ha haaaaaaaa!

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 8:02pm

We're not getting anywhere here.  I respect your gals/guys opinions and I may be dead wrong.  With me it dosen't make much of a difference, unless you think Sanders may possibly win the nomination or push Clinton too far to the left, his candidacy should not bother you.  Apparently it does, and if that's true then we're in the wrong discussion.

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 8:08pm

It's hard PJ, to imagine her making a difference as to business as usual when it comes to wealth inequality when her donors are bankers, it's just hard.

[Kad]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 8:51pm

You really have a one-track mind when it comes to this, don't you?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/12/15 at 10:11pm

That So Florida post is very Roxian in sentence structure. Similar analytical minds write alike. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 7:34am

Hillary Expected to Adopt All of Sanders’s Positions by Noon

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/hillary-expected-to-adopt-all-of-sanderss-positions-by-noon?intcid=mod-most-popular

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 9:20am

So it's the personality and not the ideas?

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 9:24am

No...it's that only one of them is believable. 

Hillary’s Free Trade Fake-Out

Democrats always hate on free trade—before they enact it.

"While Hillary Clinton is probably lying about her newfound opposition to President Barack Obama’s trade deal, that doesn’t tell us much about her character. She is simply doing what every Democratic presidential nominee has done on trade for the past three decades: campaign one way, govern another.

Immediately after Clinton turned against the Trans-Pacific Partnership multinational trade agreement Wednesday, opponents and pundits pinned the flip-flop badge to her pantsuit lapel. A June review of her past 45 pro-TPP statements by CNN.com was quickly re-circulated on social media. But the most cutting reaction was the more-in-sadness-than-in-anger conclusion from Vox’s Ezra Klein that Clinton is being dishonest. “It’s hard to believe that Clinton really opposes the TPP deal,” he sighed. “As someone trying to understand Clinton’s likely governing philosophy, it’s unnerving.

So far, Democratic voters have proved to be highly tolerant of their leaders merely paying lip service to anti-free trade arguments. Obama’s support of trade deals with Korea, Panama and Colombia did not damage his reelection prospects, and TPP has not bruised Obama’s approval ratings among Democrats. Single-issue trade voters are few. Tally up enough liberal victories on other issues, and most Democratic voters will give you a pass.

But anger about unfair trade deals has risen in the aftermath of North American Free Trade Agreement. If TPP ends up being yet another deal that fails to live up to its promises, the populist sentiment in the Democratic base may finally consume its leadership. If it does, it will be a long time coming."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-2016-free-trade-213231#ixzz3oSD2dFUV

[Kad]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 9:26am

So, tell me this: how would President Sanders get his proposals enacted?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 10:04am

 

Partnership multinational trade agreement Wednesday, opponents and pundits pinned the flip-flop badge to her pantsuit lapel.

 

Pantsuit references are the kind of clueless, entitled misogyny that discredits so many white male "pundits."

 

And let's retire the accusation "flip-flopper." It's so 1990s Fox News.

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 10:10am

I saw an early SNL debate sketch where Ackroyd's Jimmy Carter was defending himself against charges of being a flip flipper. That's just one of those Rocky Horror lines that has to be yelled every time. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/13/15 at 10:39am

"And let's retire the accusation "flip-flopper." It's so 1990s Fox News."

Funny it wasn't "1990's Fox News" when it applied to Mitt Romney 4 years ago! Maybe we can retire flip flopper when we retire the tired notion that any attack on Hillary Clinton is misogynistic. 

Sanders: I won't be as naïve as Obama was with Congress

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/bernie-sanders-naive-obama-214222#ixzz3oSWE3SSf