clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 7

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 12:08pm

Wow. It's terrifying when PalJoey, a respected and knowledgeable poster, proudly shows his bias by foolishly dismissing consistently low polling on Hillary's trustworthiness. This is the danger of two-party political systems and voting on party lines rather than the actual issues and track records. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 12:11pm

Like Elizabeth Warren? Vote Bernie Sanders.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 12:29pm

"Wow. It's terrifying when PalJoey, a respected and knowledgeable poster, proudly shows his bias"

 

I'm the most terrifying!

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 12:30pm

^L-O-L

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 1:22pm

Yes. Terrifying. This is the kind of blind naivety and willful ignorance that led us into a recession and illegal war with entitlement overspending and Wall Street deregulation. The government is corrupt and until you're the one getting a stick up the Ass from them, you'll never understand. Although I wouldn't put it past you to actually enjoy it if the stick was from Hillary's cronies. Enjoy another four (or eight) years of income inequality, infringement of personal privacy rights, big bank immunity, and unauthorized military action. Hillary, Jeb and any other politician accepting blood money from super PAC's and special interest groups can bite me. 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:12pm

I'm a lefty, but gun control isn't a big issue for me. I think Stephen Dubner of Freakonomics might be right about the cat being out of the bag on guns, but I imagine it is a big issue for a lot of you.

Bernie Sanders: Gun Nut -Slate 

Updated On: 5/6/15 at 02:12 PM

[madbrian]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:18pm

Faux outrage is funny.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:20pm

Oh my christ, it's "The Fountainheadband" up in here all of a sudden.  

[madbrian]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:22pm

^^FTW^^

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:31pm

I definitely do not agree with all of Bernie Sanders positions on gun control.

He still gets an F from the NRA though.

[Kad]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:34pm

Wait, did Hillary Clinton really say no President has gone on to the Supreme Court? Because that's false.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:49pm

It would not be the first time she has lied to the public or to the press. 

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:54pm

I'll be waiting to see what Clinton says about this.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday unveiled a tough bill targeting Wall Street, reminding liberals pining for a loud voice on the left as a presidential candidate that he is available.

In one of his first legislative moves since announcing his presidential run, Sanders unveiled a bill that takes square aim at the biggest names on Wall Street. His legislation would require federal regulators to determine which financial institutions pose a risk to the economy thanks to their size and complexity, and give those firms a simple message: Break yourselves up, or the government will do it for you.

“If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist, and that is the bottom line,” he said."

Sanders unveils bank breakup legislation

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:57pm

Surprise!

Hillary Clinton Isn't Ready to Disclose Who's Funding Her Campaign

[madbrian]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 2:58pm

I haven't read it thoroughly, put on an initial review his legislation seems like a non-starter.  I'm more liberal than most, and I disagree with his "too big to exist" line.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 3:13pm

Well the full quote is if a bank is "too big to fail it's too big to exist." And I agree with him on this issue 110%

"Coming on the heels of a highly successful campaign launch, after which Sanders raised $3 million in four days, the announcement is an indication that Sanders, a self-described socialist, won’t be confined simply to a long-shot role in the Democratic primary.

The independent senator, who is running for president as a Democrat, has hired the firm Revolution Messaging to run digital ads and online fundraising. The staffers with the firm who will be working on Sanders’ campaign include Revolution Messaging’s founder, Scott Goodstein, who ran the 2008 Obama campaign's social media and mobile programs; Arun Chaudhary, who was the first official White House videographer; Shauna Daly, who served as deputy research director on Obama’s 2008 campaign; and Walker Hamilton, who was a lead programmer for that campaign.

Bernie Sanders Hires Former Obama Aides After Raising $3 Million In Four Days

"Like a lot of Obama supporters, we were looking for a candidate with a track record of doing the right thing -- even if it meant taking on Wall Street billionaires and other powerful interests. A candidate who could inspire a movement," said Goodstein. "Bernie Sanders is that candidate."

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 3:16pm

Of course the campaign "isn't ready" to release that kind of information. It's only May 2015. Check back a year from now, Mother Jones.

Obama and Romney didn't release those names until late 2012, not May 2011.

This is just another example of setting-a-trap-and-invent-an-outrage journalism.

It's the equivalent of saying "Hillary ISn't ready to Disclose Who Her Secretary of the Treasury Will Be."

Except it's money, so it's like "Ooooooh! Scary! Horrible! Secret donors! Payoffs! Payola!" It's the equivalent of Fox News shrieking "Benghazi!"

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 3:21pm

Well that's not really what the article says.

The article says the Clinton campaign will not confirm if they are ever going to release the information. Not that they are not ready to release the information now.

"The Clinton campaign is initially asking bundlers to collect $27,000 each (that is, 10 donations at the maximum amount of $2,700). Those who reach this goal will earn the designation of "Hillstarter" and score an invitation to a special campaign confab at the end of May. The campaign refused to say whether it will disclose the identities of these Hillstarters—or whether it plans to release information about bundlers who end up raising far more than $27,000 during what is likely to be a billion-dollar campaign.

Lavishing bundlers with perks is standard practice for presidential campaigns. George W. Bush created tiers of bundlers with hokey names such as "Rangers" and "Pioneers." In June 2012, Mitt Romney invited over 800 people who had bundled at least $50,000 for his campaign to an exclusive retreat in Utah, where they could hobnob with the candidate and his senior campaign staff. Bundlers may also receive more valuable rewards. A 2011 study by the Center for Public Integrity found that 184 of the 556 publicly named bundlers from Barack Obama's 2008 campaign had landed administration roles for themselves or their spouses. That figure increased to about 80 percent for the top bundlers who raised more than $500,000."

Obscene

Updated On: 5/6/15 at 03:21 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 3:47pm

It's still a non-news story of a soon-to-be outrageous event that hasn't yet happened and may not ever.

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/6/15 at 3:51pm

Ohhhh ok.

I don't think it's a non story. Especially since it's in direct contrast to her only other democratic challanger at this point.

Is what she did in 2008 an non story too?

"In 2008, Clinton offered minimal information about her bundlers. Donors who bundled more than $100,000 for her campaign earned the title of "HillRaiser," and their names were released to the public. According to the watchdog group Public Citizen, whose White House For Sale project has tracked bundlers during recent presidential elections, a total of 324 people earned that designation.

But the '08 Clinton campaign refused to release more specific bundler categories. It remained a mystery which fundraisers just barely crossed the $100,000 threshold, and which ones raised truly massive sums. "The problem is that it's just in large increments, as opposed to an actual number," says Public Citizen's Craig Holman. "It needs to be better than this. When all we can say is, 'At least $100,000,' it could be $10 million or $20 million, we don't know. And the individual who is going to bring in millions of dollars is going to be treated differently than someone who just brought in $100,000. We need to know more information."

Updated On: 5/6/15 at 03:51 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 5/7/15 at 9:37pm

So glad this rap session is going to happen, await it deliciously.  If Hills gets the votes she's my girl.  Bernie is going to make her bare her prior miscues, this will be fun.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/8/15 at 1:50pm

More on the muckraking book that failed to rake any muck.

 

THE HILL: Brent Budowsky: The ‘Clinton Cash’ con

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/8/15 at 2:34pm

That Op-Ed was an absolute joke. He didn't address a single claim in the book, nor did he bring up any new ideas or concepts. You've gotta find something with more meat to sink our teeth into. Any non-partisan, unbiased pieces of journalism out there analyzing her ties to VCS Mining scandal in Haiti and how her brother, Tony, unfairly benefitted from it? Or how about the fact that between 2002 and 2008, her median annual salary for female staffers was $15,708.38 less than her median salary for male staffers? So much for equal pay.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/8/15 at 3:34pm

That book didn't have any influence on my decision not to back Hillary Clinton.

Her record does.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/9/15 at 8:44am

NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio's 13-point plan to move the Democratic party from the center to the left leaked yesterday. It will be interesting to see how many of his 13 points become part of Hillary's platform.

 

DALY BEAST: De Blasio’s National “Contract With America” Strategy Leaks