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YAY BLUEWIZARD!!!

Yes Michael is the cutest man ever, IMO. No question.

I don't know about the John Hill thing. I mean, he does look older, but I feel that it's part of his character. Someone who's written to be that good looking has to look older because it's High School we're talking about. All the good looking guys in my High School don't look 18 or younger.

I must pick up "A Swim, Two Boys." I need some gay literature. I'm such a literary analysis buff, so I'm sure that plus a gay romance will be Christmas to me. I have to finish "Great Expectations" for school though...ugh. Mindless Dickens novel with little meaning so far other than Dickens' typical views of society woven into some "trying to be a coming of age" story. Sorry about the rant!

Has anyone heard of the movie/book called "Latter Days"? It looked interesting...

I completely agree, and I've always felt guilty for not sympathizing for Ivy. But I've never been the school slut, so deep down in my black and rotten heart, I'm laughing wickedly. She really is the thorn in Peter and Jason's side, and she treats Matt like crap, so all I can give her is cold pity.

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Updated On: 8/18/04 at 11:34 PM

I always have to bring up the meek, shy, vulnerable side whenever she's talking to Jason. Those are the times I feel for her. When she's asking him to talk, and then when she sings "I wasn't lying when I said I had to talk to you." Maybe Ivy being a bitch is just hiding insecurities? When she's trying to talk to Jason about how she's pregnant and he ignores her, she finally breaks out with "..you got me pregnant put that in your f*cking speech!" Maybe she can't deal with being ignored.

Bluewizard, several people have recommended that book to me. It's on my very long list of books I must get. Of course I should probably finish the stacks and stacks of books I have that are sitting unread first.

Poor Jenna, bless her for taking on this character fearlessly and against many, many Peter/Jason supporters. LOL I also have to say, her vocals continually surprise me, the more and more I hear her sing. Other than "All Grown Up" she left very little impression on me, vocally speaking when I saw the show. But having seen her at Joe's Pub and at Michael's show, her voice just gets more and more colorful in my ear.

ETA: I think the key difference in having sympathy vs. not having sympathy is whether or not you believe that Ivy is just covering insecurities with attitude. Strictly going by the text of the play, I would imagine that's what we're supposed to feel, but something loses itself in the translation for me.

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Updated On: 8/18/04 at 11:40 PM

oh man i just re-read that last post of mine. i sound like a moron, lol

Good for gay mormon publicity. The things they deal with...

Anyway, I agree with the end of BlueWizard's post especially. He just brought light upon why Ivy is such an important character, because before I was wondering why she was there. I thought she was there just to create more conflict for these poor boys, but the foil thing explains it all. She may add conflict, but she's an imperative part of the love...rectangle lol. Shows how integral each character is to the story.

Bravo BlueWizard!

You and I are on the same wavelength Bluewizard on many accounts, especially Nadia and Ivy. It's funny because even though the story for Nadia never finishes, I feel like she's a very real, identifiable character. Even though Ivy gets much more time, she doesn't have that identifying quality to her. We've probably all felt like Nadia at some point. Not so much like Ivy.

I think the line that gets me is the "and Jason I still love you, (someday maybe...)". His response says it all "love me", as if it's totally inexplicable and insane. It's the "still" as if the initial love had been recognized and returned at any point, which isn't the case at all. On one hand Ivy seems to recognize that Jason has no feelings for her, like all the other guys in the past, on the other, for some reason she thinks she can change this with him, in particular. Why?

That's the reason it makes more sense to me for them to have had their fun, and then go on with their lives. Jason is already missing Peter in the first 10 minutes of Act II, he made a mistake he's moving on. If Ivy were to do the same, I actually think I'd be more sympathetic because at least she'd recognize what a mistake it all was and the consequences of it. As of now, it seems like the pregnancy is something she actually sort of pins some hopes on. That's a strange dynamic.

But I'm not the writers, of course that never stopped me from re-writing anyone else's work. LOL

Oh, the reason there are men with machine guns is that I work across the street from one of the terrorist targeted buildings in Manhattan. Fun times! Oy.

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Updated On: 8/19/04 at 12:27 AM

i love jenna too..her vocals are amazing.

WhatDoINeed, you don't sound like a moron at all....

I can't wait for Latter Days to be on video....


John makes a HUGE impreesion during the show and "Cross" literally had me in hysterics..... I was front row and right up there for that scene... it was VERY intense.......

The way 'Ivy' was written was a total bitch, intentionally or not... but Jenna manages to dig in make you feel some sympathy towards her......

Yes, the minor background things are great to watch.. I LOVED Nadia and Lucas rehearsing the dancing and smacking each other and flipping each other the bird...

i have no idea why, but at the end of Wonderland, I NEVER fail to burst out laughing when Mikey is sprawled on the table side ways swinging his feet... LOL

I don't remember, what was Michael doing sprawled on the table sideways?

michael sprawled on a table!!!! when, where???????=P

Ah yes. And Peter is the one who feigns dying, right?

What sad irony.

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Updated On: 8/19/04 at 03:17 PM

yes, that was Peter.. great staging point in my opinion....



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