BONNIE & CLYDE Reviews - Page 4

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:38pm

oh i didn't know you spoke to all the tourists who aren't here yet. how are they doing? So they won't be home in the morning of dec 2nd to get their, WSj, USATODAY, NYTimes etc? they will all be on a plane jetsetting here at the same time to see bonnie and clyde?

huh..i had no idea all the tourists were already here and they ALL have prebought their tix for the shows they wanna see. So lets close up all the box offices and tkts booth cause all the toursits have bought their tix already. thanks for the info!!!

[bjh2114]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:39pm

You do realise that during the holidays most people going to the theatre will be tourists so will have paid no attention to the reviews?

Yes and no... the tourists won't know much about the reviews, but they WILL know what shows have big buzz. I guarantee you that 80% of tourists from inside the U.S. will have heard of The Book of Mormon because it was so incredibly successful. It's been in every magazine, on every talk show, and on the news. So while the negative reviews of Bonnie and Clyde won't necessarily detract from its tourist audience, it certainly won't do it any favors. And I guarantee you holiday tourists are going to try and see Book of Mormon, Wicked, How to Succeed, Jersey Boys, and Mamma Mia before they rush out to see Bonnie and Clyde.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:41pm

I agree that the harder job it has is getting people in to the theatre when other shows have much more hype, but yes i stand by the fact that most will have paid no attention to the reviews.

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:43pm

right ! i mean why not just buy a 100 dollar tick for the ONE show you are going to see while you are in NYC and not know a thing about it. Why would you do research on your ONE vacation this year with a horrible economy and not knowing if you will have your job next year.

just go out and drop 400 bucks for the family to see..hmmm which show.bonnie and clyde..do you know anything about it? NOPE! lets do it!!! shouldn't we look to see reviews first hunny? nope! i am ready to see one show and THIS one is it!

...genius

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:48pm

This is so disappointing! I was stupid enough to actually think the critics would actually like anything that has the name Wildhorn attached to it. :/

Did you really think that? The man has never had a Broadway hit and his mega flop closed months ago. I don't see why anyone would think he had a critic proof show up his sleeve all of a sudden. And judging by the grosses, this one is having a sad end pretty soon too.

If he's so successful anywhere else, he should be happy with that. He really looks like the high school guy who would do anything to be popular - Broadway is just not a welcoming home to his shows.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:49pm

massofmen do you think if you continue to be sarcastic ans act like a 7 year old child it's going to change my mind or prove some kind of point?

I stand by what i say. When folks go to watch a Broadway show they will have either pre determined what to watch by the show that gets the big buss. Or they will get in to NY and see aht they can get cheap tickets for or decent tickets for. Most people who come in to NY for a holiday wont be mad theatre fans like all of us on here, most just fancy catching a show because it's the thing to do when you are in New York.

[roadmixer]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:49pm

Let's try to stay on topic here... Arguing over what is in people's minds or what the financial situation is with a show isn't that productive.

[broadwaydevil]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:52pm

I think some people are confusing the psychology of a tourist.

Bjh is right on the money about your average tourist who knows nothing about theatre but wants to see a show for the experience is likely going to Wicked, The Lion King, Book of Mormon, Jersey Boys, Mamma Mia, Phantom etc. without looking at reviews because somehow these shows have become "quintissential broadway" and they think they're in for a perfect show, ie.) tourist traps.

However, the tourist who wants to see something outside of the few biggest named shows is going to look at reviews before spending a lot of money. At the same time, I can almost guarantee the reviews they read will not be Backstage, Talking Broadway, AMNY etc. No one cares about any of those reviews except people like us, who make up a very small minority of the ticket-buying population. They will read WSJ (which is a concern), USA Today, NYT, and maybe the AP Review. Those matter most. While good reviews aren't absolutely necessary (Wicked took a pretty good beating by the critics), it takes a lot for a show to surmount bad reviews and become a success.

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:53pm

stay on topic? its a message board..i am pretty sure we can talk about what we want to.

and no. you are wrong. people will ask others what they have heard, reviews, etc before they drop 150 bucks on 2 tix at tkts for a show. They will hear about ROck of ages, memphis, priscilla, sister act, chicago, all of these shows will have better reviews and word of mouth than B&C if the reviews stay as they do.

people do much more research in a economic downturn then they would if their job is safe and secure which no ones is now. Your reasoning is wrong. and again it doesn't matter. B&C didn't have a advance at all really and their reserve was eaten up by them covering op costs seeing as they haven't been selling well at all.

Shows like this bank on getting big sales the day after reviews come out and THOSE people who buy THOSE tix READ reviews!! why do you think there are HUGE sales days after opening night? this is common sense stuff.

[blaxx]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:54pm

I stand by what i say. When folks go to watch a Broadway show they will have either pre determined what to watch by the show that gets the big buss.

Only one Broadway show gets the big "buss":

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:56pm

Oh well done Blaxx, you pulled out a typo and made a funny, life is good for you.

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:57pm

actually the NY papers matter the most because NYkers see shows before toursits come down and swoop them up. Nykers keep shows alive for the first 6-8 months mainly.

so the NYpost, Daily news, NYtimes and WSj are really the most important at the outset for a broadway show.

[broadwaydevil]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 8:59pm

You're right. I should have included NY Post and Daily News. I still don't think the average New Yorker (or really anyone besides us) cares about the Backstage review or Talking Broadway.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:00pm

massofmen we will have to agree to disagree, bottom line is the show wiull struggle more because the show is hardly a holiday fave and shows like Book of Mormon etc are the ones that people will wan't to see. Shame

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:02pm

allright then we agree to disagree.

and I agree with you that it is not a family show and it will definitely struggle if not close in a month or less.

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:04pm

It's a silly argument, but I have to chime in that most of the people I know, who are (unfortunately) casual theatregoers at best, when they go to London or New York do try to see one show. ANd almost without exception it seems they either go to one they've heard a lot about (which, yes, would include old long stays like Phantom), or else one they can find cheap tickets for at TKTS or wherever or hear great word of mouth about in line at the same place. They next to never scan the reviews.

[uncageg]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:05pm

There are a heck of a lot of tourists that come into town, want to see a show and have no clue what to see. They grab a flyer in Times Square, say "That looks interesting" and buy a ticket at TKTS or the box office. I talk to them almost every day. A lot are middle aged or a bit older. For that age group, I would suspect just the title "Bonnie & Clyde" would spark interest. A lot are familiar with the big sellers and know they can't get tickets to them. Some have already seen them on tour. They know what comes through their town but don't know everything that is playing on Broadway. JM2cents

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:06pm

so then why do producers and cast and everyone on a show care so much about what the reviews say if the casual tourist doesn't read them?

[PopAria]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:09pm

A lot of the big shows will be sold out for the holidays leaving some small shows open for business... Bonnie & Clyde will do just fine over the holidays.

[uncageg]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:11pm

Because they always have. That's just the way it is. I would suspect it has to do with getting backing for future productions, Tony nominations, etc. It's tradition, so to speak.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:11pm

massofmen The producers will always care because we are paranoid about anything bad sai against a show, its also a good awards indicator. The cast of course just want to get good praise, as so they should. Though press dont hold half us much power now as they used to.
The UK press can be harsh on many shows for example but they dont have any affect on if a show runs, if they did half the West End shows would be closed.

[umgeoboy]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:11pm

Newsday is Mixed to slightly positive?
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/theater/bonnie-clyde-makes-outlaws-sing-1.3357053

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:12pm

songanddanceman which shows have you produced?

[supersam1026]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:13pm

Personally I thought the show was just OK and the acting really stood out. I'm not wishing the show any ill will, but these reviews are looking only slightly better than Wonderland (not saying much.) Does anyone else think the show may not last and Jeremy Jordan does make it to Newsies?

[massofmen]

Posted: 12/1/11 at 9:14pm

i mean its the best review yet..so in comparing them i would say mixed