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Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce

Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce

Jay94
#1Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 5:01am

Has anyone noticed that? Every year the award for best musical comes down to 2 shows, one is commercial and one is artistic. Commerce often wins.

For example,
2012: Newsies (Commerce) v. Once (Art)
2010: Memphis (Commerce) v. Fela (Art)
2009: Billy Elliot (Both Commerce and Art) v. Next to Normal (Art)
2008: In the Heights (Commerce) v. Passing Strange (Art)
2007: Spring Awakening (Art) v. Grey Gardens (Art)
2006: Jersey Boys (Commerce) v. The Drowsy Chaperone (Art)
2005: Spamalot (Commerce) v. The Light in the Piazza (Art)
2004: Avenue Q (Art) v. Wicked (Commerce)
2003: Hairspray (Both Commerce and Art)
2002: Thoroughly Modern Millie (Commerce) v. Urinetown (Art)
2001: The Producers (Both Art and Commerce)
2000: Contact (Art)
1999: Fosse (Commerce) v. Parade (Art)
1998: The Lion King (Both Art and Commerce) v. Ragtime (Both Art and Commerce)
1997: Titanic (Commerce) v. The Life (Art)
1996: Rent (Both Art and Commerce)
1995: Sunset Boulevard (Commerce)
1994: Passion (Art) v. Beauty and the Beast (Commerce)
1993: Kiss of the Spider Woman (Art) v. Tommy (Commerce)
1992: Crazy for You (Commerce) v. Falsettos (Art)
1991: The Will Roger's Follies (Art and Commerce) v. Miss Saigon (Commerce)
1990: City of Angels v. Grand Hotel (Both Art and Commerce)
1988: The Phantom of the Opera (Commerce) v. Into the Woods (Art)





Updated On: 5/15/12 at 05:01 AM

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dramamama611
#2Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 5:12am

ALWAYS. (This is a correction on your subject line.)

And no it doesn't. It's all subjective. People can/will argue with every classification you put down. One man's 'commerce' is another man's art.






If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
Updated On: 5/15/12 at 05:12 AM

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binau
#2Best Musical All Ways Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 5:18am

I can't believe you snubbed NEXT TO NORMAL, it was certainly the art musical of 2009. Likewise GREY GARDENS a few years earlier.


Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.

lupone76
#3Best Musical All Ways Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 8:04am

Avenue Q took the Best Musical prize over Wicked. So I wouldn't say All Ways.

Updated On: 5/15/12 at 08:04 AM

Jay94
#4Best Musical All Ways Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 8:39am

Not as in always wins but there are two shows that always end up competing for the top prize out of the 4 nominees

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newintown
#5Best Musical All Ways Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 9:29am

Personally, I would switch your labels for Titanic and The Life; the latter was a hare-brained vulgar piece of commercial fluff, the former was beautiful and elegant.

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castlestreet
#6Best Musical All Ways Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 9:31am

To be fair, in 1995 there were 2 shows nominated, and I would hardly call Smokey Joe's Cafe "art"

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Playbilly
#7Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 9:52am

2007: I'd say Spring Awakenings has been far more commercial than Grey Gardens.


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TalkinLoud
#8Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 10:15am

Categorizing shows as either "art" or "commerce" is stupid and meaningless.

Gothampc
#9Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 10:24am

"2000: Contact (Art)"

Have you seen Contact? There was no "art" to it. People dance to pre-recorded hits every day of the year.


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AC126748
#10Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 10:26am

Categorizing shows as either "art" or "commerce" is stupid and meaningless.


And it's a reductive and misleading categorization, as all shows produced commercially are done so in the hopes of turning a profit. The producers of GREY GARDENS, PASSING STRANGE, KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN, etc and any of the shows you consider to be primarily art and non-commercial would have been happy to make money and have a commercial hit, art or no art.


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kdogg36
#11Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 12:45pm

Jay94, I think you have a point, in terms of a strong statistical tendency. The fact that you label some shows as both "commerce" and "art," and that in some years both shows bear the same label, muddies the water in terms of supporting any strong claim.

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Kad
#12Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 12:55pm

Is Avenue Q really any more artsy than Wicked? In that year, it was a case of Big vs. Small. The "art" show that year was Caroline, or Change.


"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

bobs3
#13Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 1:02pm

You consider THE WILL ROGERS FOLLIES art? That was one of worst pieces of sh*t I have ever seen on a Broadway stage!

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finebydesign
#14Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 2:27pm

I'm no Rent-head but RENT is both Art and Commerce? Seriously? That was a pet-project conjured by a very driven artist.

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bdn223
#15Best Musical Always Comes Down to Art v. Commerce
Posted: 5/15/12 at 3:04pm

Once can also be considered Commerce...it was never intended to be a small off-Broadway show...alla Next to Normal, Spring Awakening, Passing Strange, Rent...that got raves off Broadway which propelled them uptown...it was always intended for a Broadway run its just marketing itself that way


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