Posted: 10/10/24 at 7:43am
I don’t think that’s a fair representation - he has done a lot more than that and is critically respected for it - it’s just he doesn’t have a large fan base. I know that’s probably saying the same thing in different words in your mind but still.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 8:09am
They're not wrong when they talk about relevance. I don't know think that Josh Groban, for example, is more known but people seem to be more willing to come out and see him attempt varied parts. Lambert actually does seem to have a fanbase, if his social media is something to judge it from. It also doesn't help that the interviews he's given for role and the production itself, he's not managed to say much beyond what makeup he's excited to wear and how he loved the costumes.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 8:28am
That’s a good point. Josh Groban has far less followers on social media people do seem to want to pay top dollar to see him in shows such as Sweeney and Great Comet. I guess Josh Groban fans are more likely to buy theatre tickets than people who follow Adam L because they stream some of his music for free, and maybe Josh Groban has an older larger hidden fan base who don’t use social media than Adam Lambert.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 10:09am
binau said: "That’s a good point. Josh Groban has far less followers on social media people do seem to want to pay top dollar to see him in shows such as Sweeney and Great Comet. I guess Josh Groban fans are more likely to buy theatre tickets than people who follow Adam L because they stream some of his music for free, and maybe Josh Groban has an older larger hidden fan base who don’t use social media than Adam Lambert.
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I was going to say exactly what you said. In that case, it must be true!!!
Posted: 10/10/24 at 10:12am
CreatureKitchen said: "Also, not being snarky but genuinely asking: was the word of mouthbetween Sunset and Cabaret that different? Before it opened, I remember it getting absolutely glowing wom both her and on Reddit. I spend more time on Reddit, so I may have missed some discourse here, but most of the wom was that it was mindblowing and the hot show of the season. I didn't start to see naysayers really come out of the woodwork in force until the reviews came out."
I don't remember ever hearing glowing wom for Cabaret in the US.
I saw both in West End. I loved the Cabaret but was mind blown by the Sunset.
When I saw the Cabaret here with Eddie/Gayle, I left feeling lukewarm. So I can totally understand why people wouldn't want to pay top dollar for it. But at a discount, I would see it again before closing.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 12:50pm
Jarethan said: "Finally, I wonder if Oh! Mary!is going to continue to extend for only short periods, presumably a marketing strategy to keep demand high in the short-term. Itis a strategy that I cannot remember any show employing in the past for a show that I assume is really an open-ended engagement, despite the short-term extensions."
I can tell you that the HOPE of the Oh Mary producers, from the very beginning, was to run the show through June 2025. But they are only going to do it if they can maintain the "must see" hype that has surrounded the production from the start. Their biggest hurdle will be the winter months, as it is the most likely time for ticket sales and average prices to drop. And this shows strategy has hinged on creating an air of exclusivity, that this particular show is an "event" and tickets are scarce and you simply must drop a ton of money in order to say you were there. If the average ticket price falls to $80 or $90 or something during February and March, the whole strategy crumbles and they won't be able to climb back up to their million dollar grosses for the spring. I truly hope they go for it though. It deserves to run an entire year and be a major Tony contender this spring.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 2:17pm
MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "Jarethan said: "Finally, I wonder if Oh! Mary!is going to continue to extend for only short periods, presumably a marketing strategy to keep demand high in the short-term. Itis a strategy that I cannot remember any show employing in the past for a show that I assume is really an open-ended engagement, despite the short-term extensions."
I can tell you that the HOPE of the Oh Mary producers, from the very beginning, wasto run the show through June 2025. But they are only going to do it if they can maintain the "must see" hype that has surrounded the production from the start. Their biggest hurdle will be the winter months, as it is the most likely time for ticket sales and average prices to drop. And this shows strategy has hinged on creating an air of exclusivity, that this particular show is an "event" and tickets are scarce and you simply must drop a ton of money in order to say you were there. If the average ticket price falls to $80 or $90or something during February and March, the whole strategy crumbles and they won't be able to climb back up to their million dollar grosses for the spring. I truly hope they go for it though. It deserves to run an entire year and be a major Tony contender this spring."
I am also rooting for Oh Mary and hope it lasts through June 2025. It has set several house records at the Lyceum to the point where I think it's probably close to recouping. Since it has a small cast, the weekly nut is probably not that high (less than $600k/week?) Hopefully the show will recoup before the holidays and if so, then all it needs to keep open by June is to maintain that weekly nut.
Posted: 10/10/24 at 2:33pm
The tricky part of discerning their finances is that they have invested a ton in marketing and advertising. Huge social media presence, tons of talk shows, photo shoots, etc. I'm not sure precisely how much those efforts increase their usual spend, but for the show itself I can't imagine it's much more than $600K a week for their nut.
Also, the tradition of shows announcing their recoupment has sort of fallen away as a standard. Not every producer chooses to announce it, and some do it after the fact (many limited runs have waited until they are closed to disclose this). It's possible they already have recouped considering the many house records. But if not, they should certainly do so by January (which is the extension date they were always pretty confident they could hit).
Posted: 10/10/24 at 5:29pm
MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "Jarethan said: "Finally, I wonder if Oh! Mary!is going to continue to extend for only short periods, presumably a marketing strategy to keep demand high in the short-term. Itis a strategy that I cannot remember any show employing in the past for a show that I assume is really an open-ended engagement, despite the short-term extensions."
I can tell you that the HOPE of the Oh Mary producers, from the very beginning, wasto run the show through June 2025. But they are only going to do it if they can maintain the "must see" hype that has surrounded the production from the start. Their biggest hurdle will be the winter months, as it is the most likely time for ticket sales and average prices to drop. And this shows strategy has hinged on creating an air of exclusivity, that this particular show is an "event" and tickets are scarce and you simply must drop a ton of money in order to say you were there. If the average ticket price falls to $80 or $90or something during February and March, the whole strategy crumbles and they won't be able to climb back up to their million dollar grosses for the spring. I truly hope they go for it though. It deserves to run an entire year and be a major Tony contender this spring."
Lofty intentions. I find it hard to believe that they will close if it is still making a good profit, but is no longer a ‘hot event.’ I don’t know how many investors they have, but I assume they would have a problem with that. I also assume that a longer run will lead to more productions outside of NYC.
in any event, I am finally seeing it next week and have already begun to pray that I am not disappointed because I have set my expectations too high. I am really looking forward to seeing this more than anything but SB.
Posted: 10/11/24 at 7:52pm
EDSOSLO858 said: ""
It might be close but I still think Suffs blinks first."
and Suffs has blinked
Posted: 10/11/24 at 10:47pm
binau said: "I would ALMOST feel sorry for the producers of Cabaret but as soon as that 1.1 million figure was leaked and they only had Redmayne for the time they did the writing was on the wall and performances hadn't even started. Those costs just aren't a good business model - and if in 2014 Michelle Williams, Emma Stone and Alan Cumming could not ignite a box office alight more than respectable I don't know how they thought just 10 years later things would be different with a 2nd revival. New York theatre is honestly brutal.
I'm afraid that Operation Mincemeat could be the next West End victim. I am praying for Sunset - it's quite exciting because besides the first preview they had basically no advance and last week a significant number of those seats were sold last minute. I don't believe that Nicole will ever be a draw in her own right - it's going to take the full army of word of mouth buzz and reviews to carry this show. I think the 'product' is so good that it's going to work but it really is too early to tell right now if this show will have legs or not.
"Mincemeat needs the Booth if it’s going to survive “
Posted: 10/12/24 at 12:42am
Well it blinked before Frankie Valli did
