Broadway Grosses: Week Ending 12/4/22 — Page 3

HogansHero said: "jkcohen626 said: "Getting ready for yet another situation where the super progressive show gets a dozen nominations because it appeals more to the nominators and then the more traditional shows get the wins because it appeals to the voters more."

Sorry but I am going to have to call you out on this. Do yourself a favor: make a list of the shows that support your thesis over the last, say, 5 or 10 years. When you realize you have a blank sheet of paper, feel free to promise us that henceforth you will think first so as to avoid the embarrassment of posting incorrect info. We will all think way more of you for your courage.

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Slave Play got 12 nominations and 0 wins

A Strange Loop got 11 nominations and only 2 wins (although it did, of course, take top prize)

Lehman Trilogy continuously beat out several progressive shows all night this year.

I can admit that it's a pretty recent issue, but I feel like it's been a pretty big point of conversation recently that the opinions of the nominators and voters seem to have diverged. Have you been MIA for that whole conversation?

Can you really type in good faith that you think that the old white people who give out Tony awards are not going to connect with Leopoldstadt more Aint No Mo or Fat Ham?

Updated On: 12/7/22 at 08:31 AM

jkcohen626 said: "

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Slave Play got 12 nominations and 0 wins

A Strange Loop got 11 nominations and only 2 wins (although it did, of course, take top prize)

Lehman Trilogy continuously beat out several progressive shows all night this year.."

Slave Play lost to.....The Inheritance.

Lehman Trilogy beat....Skeleton Crew? Clyde's? What progressive piece did the voters eschew there?

And A Strange Loop *did* win over more traditional stuff like Mr Saturday Night and Paradise Square.

Im not dismissing that theres a marked difference between the smaller subset of nominators vs the wider voting body (who are more focused on commercial success, and touring options), but i think drawing that line at progressive/nonprogressive is a bit strange. It SOUNDS like you are conflating "progressive" with "plays explicitly about race" but even there, your examples dont really hold up.

and the hostile response is off the charts 

PipingHotPiccolo said: "jkcohen626 said: "

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Slave Play got 12 nominations and 0 wins

A Strange Loop got 11 nominations and only 2 wins (although it did, of course, take top prize)

Lehman Trilogy continuously beat out several progressive shows all night this year.."

Slave Play lost to.....The Inheritance.

Lehman Trilogy beat....Skeleton Crew? Clyde's? What progressive piece did the voters eschew there?

And A Strange Loop *did* win over more traditional stuff like Mr Saturday Night and Paradise Square.

Im not dismissing that theres a marked difference between the smaller subset of nominators vs the wider voting body (who are more focused on commercial success, and touring options), but i think drawing that line at progressive/nonprogressive is a bit strange. It SOUNDS like you are conflating "progressive" with "plays explicitly about race" but even there, your examples dont really hold up.

and the hostile response is off the charts"

Honestly? Fair enough. I'm a mature person who can recognize solid points different fro my own and change my opinion. I was thinking pretty specifically of social issues and not necessarily about form.

I do still think Fat Ham and Aint No Mo will get a lot of nominations and not a lot of wins and I do still think Strange Loop lost a fair amount of awards to shows that were much less progressive on social issues. 

All that being said, don't come for me for an "off the charts" hostile response when I quoted Hogan almost word for word. He decided to be aggressively hostile to me for no reason at all and I'm not going to let him be an ass to me. 

Thank YOU for being able to respectfully point out why you disagree with me.

Jarethan said: "
Either way, Piano Lesson is a revival and there is no chance Danielle Brooks is beating Jodi Comer."

I am thinking that Brooks is maybe not even getting nominated. She got mixed reviews as I recall and to me it seems like a supporting role, or at least it felt like one to me."

Never occurred to me that Brooks could be considered a lead. I thought she was solid but in a very supporting role.