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[winston89]

Posted: 6/27/08 at 10:51pm

I don't know if Disney can do anything to keep the video from showing up on Youtube. If the people at Don't Quit your Night Job want to post it they have every right. I understand that what Brown did distroyed in one fell swoop the wholesome image Disney trys to have with their shows. However, freedom of speech says that Brown had every right to go on the stage of the Zipper and sing the song the way she did. And, the folks at DQYNJ have ever right to post it on youtube. My guess is that they are going to post it there and if they think having it up there is going to be a problem they would at least leave it up there for as long as they could.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 1:34am

By posting it, it could make it difficult if not impossible for anyone performing in a Disney show to do future DQYNJs. I am very saddened that I shall not get to replay that lovliness over and over, but in the long run it's for the best I guess. *pouts and sings something about a spoon full of... something*

The opening skit is just lovely. Julia rocks my socks.

[Marianne2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 7:52am

I think that is absolutely the dumbest thing in the world. Can't they take a joke? I guess you all have answered that question. I guess Disney Executives or whoever would get offended by DQYNJ have not watched SNL either. I really want to see this again too.

Yeah, the opening was funny. It reminded me of my birthday one year when we went to Applebees. One of my sisters got there before the rest of us, and told them that it was my birthday. Well, later they came out singing some rediculous song, and it was a huge group of them too. Of course later on, my mom had to be embarrassing at home telling everyone who wasn't there about it, and performing it a million times. Yeah, I will now never go there again on my birthday. :)

[winston89]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 9:58am

I think that it would be sad if Disney can't take a joke. I mean Brown has every right to say what she wants to say when she isn't doing her show. In a Disney show or any show for that matter the producers can't tell the actors what they can and cannot do during their time away from the show. If Brown wanted to get up on the stage of the zipper and swear then more power to her. The folks at DQYNJ have every right to post it if they want to. Jerseygirl, that statment makes no sense that if they were to post it it would make it hard for any "Disney" actor to do Night Job again. As I said, if they want to do Don't Quit Your Night job. Then they have every right to do that. The producers can't say what they can and cannot do during their off time.

[ashley0139]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:01am

The opening skit is just lovely. Julia rocks my socks.

Please do explain.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:11am

How does that statement make no sense? They took a song owned by Disney and changed the lyrics to make it off-color. While it was hysterical, I can understand Disney not wanting it out there. If they were to post it, Disney could easily start telling their actors that they don't want them to participate in the show. They CAN tell their actors that and if it's an issue, they can have it put in contracts. It's as simple as that. Disney is very self protective. In fact, I am sure there are some kind of decency clauses in the contracts that could be played if it was posted. I would rather get to see it live and skip the video than not get to see them at all.

And Ashley... click the heart.


♥

[winston89]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:27am

That makes no sense becuse Disney legally can't say what their actors can and cannot do during their off time. Also, equity wouldn't allow it. I am sure Disney would love it if every cast member in a disney show did the whole stage door thing that way disney could continue having the reputation of being nice to the fans. But, the only thing Disney has controll over is what the actors do and don't do when they are at work at their theatres.

[liotte]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:31am

It's also someone under Disney contract performing copyrighted Disney material... They would get in trouble, DQ would get in trouble. Same thing happened last year when John Lloyd Young appeared, his madlibs wasn't allowed to be put on youtube, at least while he was in the show.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 10:47am

Winston, had she gone on and performed a song by someone else, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. (And it wouldn't have been NEARLY as funny!) It's a Disney song. It's one of the most famous Disney songs ever. I think it's pretty simple.

Updated On: 6/28/08 at 10:47 AM

[winston89]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 11:27am

Legally you can't sue someone for doing a spoof or satire of your work. Disney didn't and really couldn't do anything for example when the simpsons had the Sherry Bobbins episode which was clearly a spoof of Mary Poppins. I don't see how it is simple when Disney cannot (even if they wanted to) contract her so that she can't sing or say anything bad about disney or their matieral when she isn't working for them. If Disney sued anyone and everyone that said something negative about one of their shows or their movies or if they got into a fight over it they would have more losses then wins that's for sure.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 12:27pm

There is a difference between spoofing and performing a song with roughly 25 words replaced. She wasn't spoofing anything. The song was performed as a madlib and they own the song. Could they get away with posting it on YouTube? Probably, but Disney could make trouble for DQYNJ and they could give Ashley a hard time for being the one to perform the copywritten material.

[Marianne2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 12:33pm

Wow, I didn't realize about the copyright laws. And I should have known better. And yeah, only words were replaced, so it is the same song, but more dirty. :)

[StephenSondheimWHOO]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 12:59pm

How dirty was it?

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 2:59pm

It wasn't bad at all, just not something Disney would approve of. You can look at other madlib performances on YouTube and see how they usually are. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary. The word semen was uttered a lot. (In place of "sugar") Good times.

Here's a few...
Sutton Foster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RubsP3KDv0
Celia Keenan-Bolger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1-XQltB2fE
Kelli O'Hara:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfqIr46q3RQ
Sara Ramirez:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-E2O7VFsAw

[winston89]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 3:16pm

JerseyGirl your incorrect. In order for it to be considered an issue of copyright it would have had to have been an unauthorized version of the song as it was originally written. An example of an unauthorized version of the song would be if Brown was recording her own CD and she put that song on the CD without getting permission from Disney first. That would be an unauthorized version of the song. However, it is considered a spoof or satire when they change things. They changed a few words in the song. So it isn't a copyright issue because they changed lyrics. The issue is moved from being one of breaking copyright to one of being legally able to spoof or satire something and not get into trouble with the law for it.

Let me give you an example. Weird Al is known for making a living by doing spoofs and satires of other people's songs. He has gone on the record and said that he asks permission as a professional courtesy. However, if he didn't ask for permission and he went and recorded the satire or spoof he could do that and he couldn't get sued. That is because a satire or a spoof isn't copyright infringement.

Any alteration of a copyright song either music or lyrics is not considered to be the copyright material but rather a spoof of the material. Disney can only copyright one version of Spoonful of Sugar and that is the classic version of the one we know and love. You can't get in trouble by doing a spoofed version of that song. A spoof is any version of any song that isn't the same in either music or lyrics. The version that Ashley sung isn't the same as the original one because the version that she sang had altered lyrics. It doesn't matter if only some of the lyrics are altered. All that matters is that some of the lyrics are altered for it to be considered a spoof or satire. Considering that what brown did was a spoof or a satire version of the song Don't Quit Your Night Job can post it on youtube if they want to without getting flak from Disney because they are not violating any sort of copyright at all.

And, I say spoof or satire for one good reason. And that is legally the same rules that apply to spoofing a song are the same as satire. Avenue Q is considered a satire version of Sesame Street but it is protected under the same laws that a spoof is protected under.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 4:17pm

I didn't say they would get sued, but the reality is that Disney could make it difficult for the parties involved. Regardless of the legalities, the video is not being put up for a reason.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 4:32pm

Disney can't make it difficult for the parties involved because there is no legal standing whatsoever to help out Disney so that they can if they wanted to to be difficult to the people involved. They have no legal standing.

Updated On: 6/28/08 at 04:32 PM

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 5:59pm

Winston, you have no idea what the contract says. It could have a morals clause or some other language that would preclude this type of activity being publicized.

As a condition of having her on the show, they may have had to agree to not to tape the performance.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/28/08 at 7:02pm

You are saying that they can't do anything from a legal standpoint. I am not suggesting Disney would sue a small charity show. Disney is huge (and they usually do have a moral clause in their contracts) and employs hundreds of performers, some of which are DQYNJ regulars. They could very easily ask their actors not to participate in the show. Can they legally forbid participation? I doubt it, but many actors, happy to have steady work, will listen. This isn't about what they can do legally, this is about a big company with a lot of pull.

[broadwaybaby086]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 12:09am

Dear Winston,

Let. It. Go.

It's not going up, and you can't do anything about it. There's no point in arguing it, because nothing is going to change. It's a precautionary measure to not have any drama brought about to interfere with the work that is being done for a good cause. There is nothing wrong with that. Those who wanted to see Brown do the madlib attended, and for those who could not make it, it's not the end of the world. There will be more madlibs to come.

However, if you want to redirect your efforts and energy for change, I urge you to master the differences between "your" and "you're." That is a much more worthy cause to argue.

Best,

broadwaybaby086

[winston89]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 12:58am

I know that Disney most likely has moral clauses in their contract. I am not saying that I don't see why they didn't put it up on youtube. I am saying that the reasons why they didn't are stupid. Disney wouldn't fire Brown (or any Disney actor on Broadway for that matter) for doing this kind of thing. Mainly because them politly asking and them forbidding her do do this kind of show under contract are two different things. If for example Disney heard about what she did and politly asked her not to do it and they fire her or threaten to fire her she could come back at them and say that what I did didn't violate my contract in any form therefor you don't have any standing to fire me.

The reason why I am making a big deal about this is that Disney's urge to keep their image pure and safe for children can't go on forever. And, their constent fight to prevent that is a loosing battle and they have yet to realize that. This song was a spoof. This isn't the first Disney song to be spoofed at all. There are hundereads of them on Youtube I am sure. I don't see this spoof being any different then the ones that have been made and the ones that are up on Youtube.

[liotte]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 7:17am

Thank you Broadwaybaby086!

Winston, your spelling is horrible, and your arguments make you sound like a little kid who is pissed that they didn't get their way. Get over it and let it go. It's not happening.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 5:04pm

Spelling doesn't matter on a message board. You don't get on someone's case for misspelling during a text message or an instant message do you?

In this day and age there is a huge difference between typing something in a social setting like a text message email or an instant message or yes a message board. And, typing something that is formal. A message board falls under the context of things that are more social or have to do with interaction on a computer rather then let's say an essay that your submitting for a class.

If your talking to your friends no one really is going to care or jump on you if you don't use 100 per cent proper english or if you use slang. However, if your in a very formal setting you should try to avoid things like slang.

Considering that a message board is an online version of a social setting I don't go out of my way to spell bad. But, on the same token I don't go out of my way to fully edit it either.

And, I was making arguments based on what the law says for something that is a parody or a spoof. I think you missed the part where I said I understand why the people at Don't Quit your night job aren't posting the video but I disagree with them and if they wanted to they would have every right.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 7:20pm

Not on BroadwayWorld. Spelling and grammar are important and can and will get you verbally attacked, so to speak. It's one of the reasons people think we are assholes. No one uses "text speak" on here. You have been here two years. You should be well aware.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/29/08 at 7:48pm

Broadwayworld is the same as any other message board online. It is an online social setting. BWW is no special then any other message board out there in this respect. In typing in an online social setting spelling and grammar do not matter as much as they would if it is a formal writing assignment. I feel that the people who do attack others for their spelling on this site use that as a pot shot against someone because they want to say something against them and don't have any ammo to use.