Equity and Equality on Broadway — Page 2

Well, this NEW thread sure didn't take long to go completely off the rails and into Batsh*t Crazyland!

Matt Rogers said: "Oh congratulations. You used the term “woke mob” again. There is nothing wrong with being woke, fool. It means awake. It means you are paying attention. I’d rather associate with people who are awake and paying attention than with brain dead morons who don’t have a clue about anything and just vomit b*llsh*t all over a Broadway chat board from morning till night."

You live in the past. You might think that's what it still means. Today it means: Being fast asleep.

Let me know when you become capable of typing subject-related replies too.

Matt Rogers said: "JSquared2 said: "Well, this NEW thread sure didn't take long to go completely off the rails and into Batsh*t Crazyland!"

What do you expect with two ranting lunatic racists posting nonstop nonsense and others willing to call them out on their garbage?"

Tell me a name I’ve called you.

I’ll wait.

Matt Rogers said: "Seb28 said: "Let me know when you become capable of typing subject-related replies too."

Take a seat fool."

I'll wait.

BorisTomashevsky said: "Matt Rogers said: "JSquared2 said: "Well, this NEW thread sure didn't take long to go completely off the rails and into Batsh*t Crazyland!"

What do you expect with two ranting lunatic racists posting nonstop nonsense and others willing to call them out on their garbage?"

Tell me a name I’ve called you.

I’ll wait."

MAGA trash doesn’t like it when they are called out. Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!

BorisTomashevsky said: "Matt you’ve been on this site for 21 years. So you’re at the very least 30. But I’m gonna guess you’re 45 or above.

WOW."

What does that have to do with anything you racist freak show?

“Those two are uniquely qualified to bring their authentic relationship onstage with them every night.“

This raises an interesting angle for me which I know has been broached for years but not necessarily with the ABF situation, which has mostly been about “jobs and opportunities.”

How authentic do we need or want our experiences to be? Yes it’s very nice that they get to be onstage together, but maybe I’d believe or be more enchanted by Andrew and Kimoko than I would be by Andrew and Helen.

If I want to see relationship authenticity in front of me, I’ll look at a couple sitting on a park bench.

I’d much rather see people working at creating that reality than just showing up and “plug & play”. After all, acting is being truthful under imaginary circumstances. Do I want to see a South African do a perfect French accent more than I want to see a Frenchman do a perfect French accent? Yes.

Would it be more impressive to see someone from Australia who hasn’t met a Jew in his life play a perfect Tevye, than to see an Israeli play a perfect Tevye? I think so.

But the color of one’s skin is the one thing that we don’t suspend our disbelief over.

Matt Rogers said: "JSquared2 said: "Well, this NEW thread sure didn't take long to go completely off the rails and into Batsh*t Crazyland!"

What do you expect with two ranting lunatic racists posting nonstop nonsense and others willing to call them out on their garbage?"



You’re just as bad as those other 2 fools. You don’t have to take the bait and respond EVERY single time.

So lemme get this straight Matt. You hate a certain group because they supposedly hate others. Is that correct?

Just call me Hypocrisy Accountability Man.

The Distinctive Baritone said: "BorisTomashevsky, I sometimes agree with what you post. ...frequently hostile in what you write that you drown yourself out."

I have never seen him writing hostile things. He is always on point, stable and reasonable. Perhaps you can't handle the truth or a joke at times?

There is a whole flock of hostile beasts on the rampage on the board, swearing, screaming insults, and worst of all, deliberately ruining equity and equality. He is just exposing their hypocrisy at times. Which makes them squirm even harder.

It is very peculiar to me that you don't call them out. It's like you felt addressed by the age remark. Because let's be real, Matt Rogers behaves like an 8 year old with a tantrum.

The Distinctive Baritone said: "Look, I’m a middle aged white guy so who cares what I think about DEI, etc. But I will say this: perhaps, after 2020, the pendulum has swung a bit too far in a certain direction."

You are VERY right here. It has indeed. It is forced and equity and equality do no longer exist because of it. And we don't even complain about it. Our only request is to stop attacking the 1 white role in a 90%+ asian cast.

Matt Rogers said: "garbage!!....Lunatics!.....Sit down fools!!....You are trash!!....I hate white...You are a freakshow!!...Morons!!!...Jackasses!!! "

Poor guy. I want to apologize for speaking to you like you were an adult before.

BorisTomashevsky said: "This raises an interesting angle for me which I know has been broached for years but not necessarily with the ABF situation, which has mostly been about “jobs and opportunities.”

How authentic do we need or want our experiences to be? Yes it’s very nice that they get to be onstage together, but maybe I’d believe or be more enchanted by Andrew and Kimoko than I would be by Andrew and Helen.

I’d much rather see people working at creating that reality than just showing up and “plug & play”. After all, acting is being truthful under imaginary circumstances.

But the color of one’s skin is the one thing that we don’t suspend our disbelief over."

An interesting point indeed. I think it's a worrying tendency that casting is becoming more and more like this. That actors are only allowed to play things that they are in real life. Because where is the limit? Do you eventually have to be a real carpenter, murderer, chess champion, homosexual, autististic person, pilot, narcissist, wheelchair user or broccoli lover to play one?

About your last point, it also seems that this is a one-way street unfortunately. We have been doing it for years, suspending our disbelief. But the other way around, such as 1 white role in a 90%+ asian cast in MHE seems to be too much to ask. Even when the role description says: "All ethnicities". And "Robot". That double standard is truly racist.

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I sincerely thank you Seb, that’s much appreciated and motivating to read (and the same could all likewise be said for you).

Your end point about the suspension of disbelief being a one way street rings so true for me, and I can only put it down to wishing such little ill-will on “the other races” that it didn’t occur to me that yes, Hamilton has us suspending our disbelief entirely - and the recent 1776 revival even more so. And these shows come and go and have their space, and I personally don’t give them a second thought in terms of “what’s being taken away!!!”

But that’s where the one way street has its dead end. Suspension of disbelief applied with racist tendencies, I guess.



Baritone, thank you for saying that you agree with some of what I say. I appreciate that. I wonder though if “hostility” is in the eye of the beholders around here. To some people, simply being ‘disagreed with’ feels like hostility from the other side. But like an actor who only wants to believe good performance reviews and ignores the bad - if someone takes up a cause, they must accept that they’ll be disagreed with, and that the ‘other side’ might be ready to hold on even longer. (I’m not saying this is you - but in general about anyone that expresses frustration that I don’t let go, or that I exist at all.)

BorisTomashevsky said: "I sincerely thank you Seb, that’s much appreciated and motivating to read (and the same could all likewisebe said for you)."

Thanks Boris. True character shines through, even on a message board like this.

BorisTomashevsky said: "Your end point about the suspension of disbelief being a one way street rings so true for me, and I can only put it down to wishing such little ill-will on “the other races” that it didn’t occur to me that yes, Hamilton has us suspending our disbelief entirely - and the recent 1776 revival even more so. And these shows come and go and have their space, and I personally don’t give them a second thought in terms of “what’s being taken away!!!”


But that’s where the one way street has its dead end. Suspension of disbelief applied with racist tendencies, I guess."


Yes, the one-way street definitely has a dead end. And it truly is suspension of disbelief applied with racist tendencies. The conclusion is that even when nearly all Broadway shows have a poc majority and more and more shows even consist of a 90%+ poc cast (Hamilton, MHE) nobody actually really complains about it. There is space for all of it. This shows a huge compliance, open-mindedness and absence of racial judgement on that side. The actual complaints and attacks come from the poc side, whenever there is 1 last white person left, they need to be erased, as we see in the MHE attacks now. So it goes even further, which changes things. Not celebrating the majority and acceptance, but attacking. The question is, when will they celebrate? This dead end and these attacks are the point of this discussion. Let's keep fighting and teach people that equity starts when people understand it is a 2-way street.

BorisTomashevsky said: "Baritone, thank you for saying that you agree with some of what I say. I appreciate that. I wonder though if “hostility” is in the eye of the beholders around here. To some people, simply being ‘disagreed with’ feels like hostility from the other side. But like an actor who only wants to believe good performance reviews and ignores the bad - if someone takes up a cause, they must accept that they’ll be disagreed with, and that the ‘other side’ might be ready to hold on even longer. (I’m not saying this is you - but in general about anyone that expresses frustration that I don’t let go, or that I exist at all.)"

Perfectly explained. I wanted to address this problem for a while too but could never explain it this well. Thank you.

Dreamboy3 said: "REACTIONARY PLATITUDINOUS COMMENTS"

The fact that you do not understand the subject or simply don't like to hear about the facts doesn't make it platitudinous. It needs to be repeated until you understand it.

Updated On: 9/4/25 at 10:06 AM