Fran Lebowitz proving she doesn't know what she is talking about — Page 2

aaaa said"Okay we're going to have to agree to disagree. I do think it's wrong to dismiss an entire art form on the basis that you don't see hardly any of it anyway."

And why do you think she hardly sees it? Because she doesn't like it. oy

Apropos to blanket statements on disliking a genre of art: I've been around and current for decades. From the start of rap until now. So that means I've heard TONS of it. All kinds of it. So, I more than dislike it. You say I haven't heard the rap that's different, that I would like? Well, I'm here to tell you that I don't have the slightest desire to delve through the annals of rap to find one that I like.

Jane2 said: "And why do you think she hardly sees it? Because she doesn't like it. oy"

No because Frank Rich says he tries to drag her to the theatre and he can never get her to go so it's quite clear that she doesn't go often...

"You say I haven't heard the rap that's different, that I would like? Well, I'm here to tell you that I don't have the slightest desire to delve through the annals of rap to find one that I like."

I literally have not mentioned rap and you in the same sentence once. So no I have not said that and I couldn't care less whether you try to find rap music you like or not.

@aaaaaa-it seems we are just talking past each other. And you seem to be the one who needs a crash course in nuance appreciation since you obviously conflate the use of the device of hyperbole and ignorance. But you haven't listened to a thing I've said so far so not sure why you'd start now.

aaaaaa15 said: " simply saying you dislike or hate something doesn't automatically scream hyperbole to me."

This is where our "disconnect" is.The hyperbole I am talking about (which is a modest one) is in her saying she hates musicals rather than qualifying it with "most" which, it seems, would have made you happier. The hating is not the hyperbole I am talking about. And the use of the sort of hyperbole I AM talking about is a well accepted device that brings the comparison into high relief. Stated differently, it has more rhetorical force than my saying that I like some but nowhere near all musicals but I love Hamilton. When I said you are not listening to me, I was referring to the fact that you continue to focus on one hyperbole (that's not at issue) and to ignore the one I am trying to discuss with you. If you get it now, fine; if not, you are right that we can both live happily ever after notwithstanding.

...I have no idea why either of you think that point is even worth arguing back and forth...

aaaaaa15 said: "Okay. I think people should say what they mean. If you say you hate musicals then I'm going to assume you hate musicals."

If you do that, you'll be missing out on a lot of Lebowitz' humor.

I had originally written that being a curmudgeon was part of her "schtick", but I think I should revise that. Her Wikipedia page describes her as being, "known for her sardonic social commentary on American life as filtered through her New York City sensibilities." Sardonic (adj. Scornfully or cynically mocking. See Synonyms at sarcastic.) is much more accurate, I think.

I miss seeing her on David Letterman.

Updated On: 5/8/16 at 05:20 PM

To be clear, I wasn't talking about Fran specifically with that remark, just a generalized statement.

I don't know of Fran or her sense of humor but I'm sure if someone uses hyperbole often enough then you get used to it and know to expect it.

aaaaaa15 said: "To be clear, I wasn't talking about Fran specifically with that remark, just a generalized statement.

I don't know of Fran or her sense of humor but I'm sure if someone uses hyperbole often enough then you get used to it and know to expect it."

I thought I was done but then you install this little bit of low hanging fruit. If you do not know of her or her sense of humor, then your comments on what she said seems no different (or perhaps less justifiable) than her discarding all of musical theatre on the basis of a limited (if that's true, I doubt it is) exposure. I am not obliged to get a PhD in Chemistry before stating that I find it unbelievably uninteresting.

HogansHero said: "I thought I was done but then you install this little bit of low hanging fruit. If you do not know of her or her sense of humor, then your comments on what she said seems no different (or perhaps less justifiable) than her discarding all of musical theatre on the basis of a limited (if that's true, I doubt it is) exposure. I am not obliged to get a PhD in Chemistry before stating that I find it unbelievably uninteresting. "

I know of her. I don't know her. That was a mistype. I still don't think what she said is right even if she does have a hyperbolic sense of humor as as I said, it could be offensive to people that work hard to make musicals. However, like I said, if you knew Fran (or were a fan of hers) I'm sure you would come to expect it.


You may not be done but I am. Thanks and bye.

Updated On: 5/8/16 at 07:06 PM

Fran is an acquired taste. I'm glad I've acquired it.

HogansHero said: "She represents the majority opinion in this country.



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What does this have to do with anything?

aaaa "Jane2 said: "And why do you think she hardly sees it? Because she doesn't like it. oy"

No because Frank Rich says he tries to drag her to the theatre and he can never get her to go so it's quite clear that she doesn't go often...'

Put on your listening ears, son. Yes, we've established that she doesn't go often. I said she doesn't go often because SHE DOESN'T LIKE IT. Getting it now?

aaaaaaaa-"You say I haven't heard the rap that's different, that I would like? Well, I'm here to tell you that I don't have the slightest desire to delve through the annals of rap to find one that I like."

I literally have not mentioned rap and you in the same sentence once. So no I have not said that and I couldn't care less whether you try to find rap music you like or not.

This was not directed at you, put on your seeing glasses. I said "apropos of" in general, not to you.

And it's refreshing to hear that you don't care whether I like rap or not. At least you finally admit to no being bothered about other peoples' opinions. Yay!

HogansHero said: "@JM226 (aka Troll)-First, I did nothing of the sort. I was having an intelligent discussion with another poster who supported his or her position as I did mine. That's a concept I gather you are unfamiliar with since whenever the time comes for you to support a position, you disappear from the thread. This seems to be a chronic condition for you. Secondly, yes, I am a serious dude. Are you a troll? That conclusion seems inescapable on the strength of what you post here.

@qolbinau-what it has to do with is the subject of the thread. Read and digest it. I'm sure you can appreciate the relevance of her opinion vis-a-vis general public opinion.



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lol come on you're being a little condescending now. I obviously want you to make the point I think you're trying to make more explicit so I can make sure I respond accurately, but I'll bite regardless: we're talking about her, not the general public. I'd equally argue the general public are ignorant when it comes to musicals too. As they are many other topics (nearly 20 million people have voted for Trump and Cruz in the Republican primary!). Nothing necessarily wrong with being ignorant about musicals, it's just the way it is. I suppose it is a little more annoying though when someone stands up in public and dismisses the work of many artists (except for those involved in one show, apparently). I find it a bit silly that there would be people defending her on here of all places.