Harry Potter and the Cursed Child Casting Announcement - Page 6

[Hamilton22]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 7:30am

If you honestly haven't figured out Finding Namo's humor then you are way behind.

[Hamilton22]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 7:33am

I'm making this about race?! LOL. No one in this thread had a problem with the casting  it until you wrote your insipid inane post about  how you're so unhappy Hermione doesn't look like how YOU envisioned her. Cut the crap. No one cares if hermoine is black or white. And no one cares that some obsessed fan is sad that hermoine isn't white. Get over yourself. 

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 8:03am

Nope, this was no joke for FindingNamo. Considering this person's posts of the last months.

[Hamilton22]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 8:07am

Are you serious? The Majority of Finding Namo's comments are jokes! Have you not figured this out? Dude....just stop. Hermoine is cast and that's it. Stop complaining.

[Kad]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 9:32am

"I'm well travelled."

Sure you are.

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 9:38am

from Dave - "AHLiebross said: " I'm amazed by the number of musical productions that still have largely white choruses, with one or two token black faces."

 

I'm amazed by comments like this.

 

12% of the USA population is black. That is about 2 out of every 20 persons.

 

2 black people in a chorus of 20 persons is therefore fully representative. 

 

Now, the amount of black people in a chorus can be higher or lowe

r at any time, and that does not matter either. But to be "amazed" is quite strange. Are you saying that the number of black people in anything MUST be higher than the actual population? Why is that?"

 

And you don't care about race?  You care more about race than anyone here. You better quit while you're behind. 

[Kad]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 9:45am

It's amazing that someone who lives in Europe and seems interested in, like, only three musicals has such a bee in their bonnet about what happens with American casting.

[tazber]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 10:14am

People from Europe love to pretend they understand the complexities of race in America.

 

I find, in general, a certain sense of superciliousness from them toward Americans.

 

That's why you have to consider the source and just ignore what they say.

 

Clearly this poster doesn't know from whence he speaks, so getting riled up over him is just silly.

 

 

Updated On: 12/24/15 at 10:14 AM

[DigificWriter]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 10:44am

Dave19 said: "Being ecstatic about your favorite color getting a role is the epitome of racism."

 

I don't even know what to say in response to this. That's how inspipidly ridiculous and nonsensical it is.

 

And just for the record, the only comments I've found to be even remotely racist are yours.

Updated On: 12/24/15 at 10:44 AM

[Kad]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 10:50am

"Inspipidly ridiculous and nonsensical" is Dave19's MO on this board. The second race is mentioned in relation to casting, this treasure will ooze out of the woodwork like fetid sap to espouse his thoroughly incoherent views on race and argue in circles over it.

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 10:58am

Tell us how you really feel, Kad! 

[Kad]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 11:01am

I'm indifferent.

[AHLiebross]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 5:32pm

Dave19 writes: Are you saying that the number of black people in anything MUST be higher than the actual population? Why is that?

Dave, you also said that the African-American population of the US is about 12%, so having one or two black people in a chorus of 20 is about right.

I don't know the percentage of people in the US who are persons of color, and I don't know how they divide up by ethnicity. However, your premise is full of fallacies, because the percentage of black people in the entire US population is not the point; instead, it's the percentage of black people among performers with the talent and credentials to try to break into Broadway. I suspect, but can't prove, that this percentage is significantly higher than 12% -- perhaps even 25 or 30 percent.

The reason I'm making this guess is that the performing arts have traditionally been a way for people who have experienced discrimination to try to make their mark. Look at the ownership of the major film studios when they first opened -- almost entirely Jewish. Also, until recently, advanced education was NOT the road to becoming a performer. If you're being kept out of colleges that prepare you for most industries, singing and dancing created an alternative route to success. Additionally, there are  forms of music and dance that were born among African-Americans and that reflected their historical experiences, Ragtime and the blues being two of them. Because they've worked their way into mainstream culture, there is a need for people with those talents on Broadway, and many, if not most, of those people are black Americans. Finally, African-American churches have always heavily emphasized music, making congregants into future performers.

I therefore respectfully disagree with your premise that a chorus with two minority performers out of twenty is representative of the relevant population.

 

Audrey Liebross

[AHLiebross]

Posted: 12/24/15 at 5:45pm

Despite my wish to see more people of color get opportunities, I have to confess that I'm rolling my eyes at the complaint that the upcoming Gerard Butler movie, "Gods of Egypt," should have cast people of Arab descent. If I recall what I studied correctly, the ancient Egyptians were not Arab, but, along with their Hyksos rulers, stemmed from an entirely different group of people,

This movie is even more a fantasy than HP. If they cast only white people in the leads, that's a problem. However, the fact that they didn't cast modern Egyptians, is not.

As we previously discussed on a similar thread, "The King and I" casts few Thai people, but nonetheless provides work for actors of other Asian ethnicities and countries. Since there's not a tremendous clamor for Egyptians and other Arab people to get into English-language movies, this movie should have taken the opportunity to cast English-speaking minority actors in general. If the producer did not do so, that's where he slipped up, IMO.

[Dave19]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 9:01am

Jane2 said: "And you don't care about race?  You care more about race than anyone here. You better quit while you're behind. "

 

No, I care about people who care about race.

 

 

Updated On: 12/25/15 at 09:01 AM

[Dave19]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 9:06am

Audrey, whatever you believe the percentage is, it should never be a need to follow it, or being amazed by it.

Talent comes first, then color, I hope.

The music industry is dominated by people of color. Nobody cares about that, Do you? Because it doesn't match the percentage?

[Dave19]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 9:10am

tazber said: "People from Europe love to pretend they understand the complexities of race in America.

 

 

 

I find, in general, a certain sense of superciliousness from them toward Americans.

 

 

 

That's why you have to consider the source and just ignore what they say.

 

 

 

Clearly this poster doesn't know from whence he speaks, so getting riled up over him is just silly."

 

You have NO IDEA how well I understand it. Don't get me started.

Do you know anything about the history of Europe?

We understand exactly what kind of things keep racism intact. 

 

 

[tazber]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 10:08am

You have NO IDEA how well I understand it. Don't get me started.

 

Do you know anything about the history of Europe?

 

We understand exactly what kind of things keep racism intact. 

 

 

I know a good deal about European history, but I'd never be so arrogant as to presume I know more about the nuances of how it affects Europeans than those who actually live with it.

 

You're just another idiot who thinks he knows everything. A dime a dozen your lot are.

 

With each post you only prove how little you actually understand about race here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Updated On: 12/25/15 at 10:08 AM

[DigificWriter]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 10:42am

@Dave19: If you want to be taken seriously, don't make blatantly ridiculous statements like "being excited for a black Hermione is racist".

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 11:10am

He clearly has no idea what racism is, so the nuances of what keeps it intact (whatever that means) is LOST on him.

[Dave19]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 7:11pm

DigificWriter said: "@Dave19: If you want to be taken seriously, don't make blatantly ridiculous statements like "being excited for a black Hermione is racist"

 

If you want to be taken seriously, you would treat anyone who puts race first in any judgement the same.

 

That is the core of the problem. Allowing people to think in race first.

 

As long as you are not able to be excited for a great Hermione, whatever race, then you have a racist mindset.

Updated On: 12/25/15 at 07:11 PM

[AHLiebross]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 7:36pm

Dave19 writes: "Audrey, whatever you believe the percentage is, it should never be a need to follow it, or being amazed by it. Talent comes first, then color, I hope.The music industry is dominated by people of color. Nobody cares about that, Do you? Because it doesn't match the percentage?"

Dave, percentages can be problems if people use them as quotas, and they can be useful if people use them as measures of whether they're doing enough to overcome the view that white is the default. By pointing out that the music industry is heavily dominated by people of color, you've agreed that the percentage of minority people in the general population is irrelevant, but the higher percentage of minority people who can sing.

In the US, we can't just rely on general recruiting because of our shameful history of discrimination. People talk about "best-qualified" as if it can be measured, but "best-qualified" means different things to different people. It's important to keep measuring our efforts, not to fulfill a quota but to be sure we're giving everyone a fair shake, regardless of whether they look like us.

Audrey, who favors affirmative action for masked men, as well as for ethnically diverse groups..

 

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 12/25/15 at 10:21pm

Rowling loves black Hermione. If the author who created the character loves the idea I'm cool with it. The books never say if the character is white or black or anything actually. It doesn't matter.

[AHLiebross]

Posted: 12/26/15 at 1:20am

CatsNYRevival wrote: "Rowling loves black Hermione."

I wish that Rowling had mentioned specifically that Hermione is black, for a few reasons. One is that, every time an author writes a book that includes white and non-white protagonists, he or she helps readers understand that everyone is first and foremost human. Secondly, had a black kid been cast, that would have increased opportunities for black actors, and, third, raised the audience members' consciousness (a 1970's term).

Audrey Liebross

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 12/26/15 at 1:28am

"Allowing people to think in race first."

Ah yes.  Never trust a man (and it's ALWAYS a man!) who doesn't want to "allow" people to think!!!