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#26

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I have to admit that I did not much like this when I saw it 40 years ago. I cannot imagine it succeeding today. First of all, Ann-Margaret may have toured it, but the role of Mona is pretty small; I can;t see why a real star with alternative work options would want to tie herself up to appear in this. Secondly, the real sar of the show was Tommy Tune's staging; unless they simply copy it, they are never going to improve upon it. 40 Years ago, there were people who thought it was raunchy and that that helped the box-office. Today it is quaint.

To the person who referred to Mame and Funny Girl; Funny Girl was always a flawed show that could succeed with a great star turn because there were enough high-spots to offset the low ones, e.g., book scenes, Rat-tat-tat-tat,listening to Nicky Arnstein sturm-un-drung, etc.

I continue to believe that Mame could succeed with a great star performance. It is a fun, old-fashioned musical comedy with several great roles, opportunities for show-stopping numbers, lots of brass in the orchestra, a number of well-loved songs, Bsst Little Whorehouse has the title.

#27

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George in DC said: "I loved this show when I first saw it mainly because of Tommy Tune's brilliant staging. It's just a sweet little show with a lot of heart.



The movie ruined it. There is a reason why the stage show was a hit a the movie a complete flop. They absolutely gutted the score. Also, having the two leads become romantically linked changed the dynamics. It didn't help that Burt Reynolds was DREADFUL! The only time the movie becomes alive is during Charles Durning brief but amazing turn as governor.
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The film version of "Whorehouse" was not a flop at all. It was #9 that year at the box office, bringing in $70 million domestically. In today's dollars that would be $240 million.

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uncageg said: "It also knocked "E.T." out of the top spot the weekend it opened."

Yes, it did.

At the time of its release, it had the biggest opening box office weekend for a musical. So wonderful that AMC Theatres has released it in honor of Dolly's passing. I've seen it 3 times so far in the last few days. Each screening was completely full, and everyone applauded when Dolly's name appeared on the screen, and when we see her for the first time. Love this movie! Dolly is just so wonderful in it.

Film critic Pauline Kael said this of Dolly in the film:

Dimples, wigs, bazooms, and all, Dolly Parton is phenomenally likable in 'The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.' As the woman who runs the venerable institution—it’s situated in a rural area off the Austin-to-Houston highway— she’s a madam doll. Her exterior is completely stylized, yet her manner is natural and easy, and she gives the impression of having lived a bit—of having earned her permissive, tolerant manner. This is only Dolly Parton’s second picture, and she has become assured; her whole personality is melodious."

Updated On: 9/1/26 at 05:11 PM

#31

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The one thing that struck me about the movie when I saw it recently is how little agency the sex workers are given in the story. All the other main characters talk about them constantly and meet to decide their fate, and they're basically portrayed as pawns in other people's games. (Compare this to Pretty Woman, which didn't come out that much later and which, whatever else you might think about it, shows us a sex worker who's very much in control of her own life.)

I'm not saying this prevents me from appreciating the movie for what it is, and maybe audiences in general won't care. That being said, I think this could be fixed with some changes to the book without doing violence to the existing material.

#32

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That's not an issue in the musical. It's a consequence of the movie's focus on Burt and Dolly, and the invention of the Ed Earl-Mona relationship, which doesn't exist in the musical. Anything related to the girls other than Hard Candy Christmas was basically erased. In the musical, at least two of the Chicken Ranch girls have characters and actual names (in the movie none of them do; they're all credited as the Chicken Ranch Girls), and they have several numbers that make them more like people and not entirely like window dressing.
#33

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darquegk said: "Whenever this show comes up, I ask the same question as I asked about Mame and Funny Girl. Is the SHOW good, or is it just a really good star vehicle for a really great star?

I'll admit I never saw the show but I listened to the cast album and read the libretto. The sense I always got is that the show feels like a cute Off-Broadway cult favorite whose reputation has been inflated by one truly great song, and Dolly Parton's work in the film version. Who knows if the workshopping and book work has changed the show significantly with elements of the film or new scenes (I always thought that if you're gonna introduce a singing narrator/commentator in the first scene, they should show up a little more than just once).
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I can't tell if you don't realize the show, though it started off-Broadway, ran on Broadway for years. It was not cult show, but a big, big hit.

#34

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kdogg36 said: "The one thing that struck me about the movie when I saw it recently is how little agency the sex workers are given in the story. All the other main characters talk about them constantly and meet to decide their fate, andthey're basically portrayed as pawns in other people's games. (Compare this to Pretty Woman,which didn't come out that much later and which, whatever else you might think about it, shows us a sex worker who's very much in control of her own life.)

I'm not saying this prevents me from appreciating the movie for what it is, and maybe audiences in general won't care. That being said, I think this could be fixed with some changes to the book without doing violence to the existing material.
"

During post-production, the film was heavily edited down, including a subplot of Sky, a new girl at the Chicken Ranch that Mona takes under her wing. Their song ended up on the cutting room floor. The only line that remained of her role was her one line during "Hard Candy Christmas." Everything else was cut. Also cut was half of the Aggie Song, Burt's solo, and the original opening song "Chicken Ranch" over the opening titles. The majority of Lois Nettleton's role as Dulcie Mae ended up being eliminated from the final cut, as well.

#38

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MemorableUserName said: "That's not an issue in the musical. It's a consequence of the movie's focus on Burt and Dolly, and the invention of the Ed Earl-Mona relationship, which doesn't exist in the musical. Anything related to the girls other than Hard Candy Christmas was basically erased. In the musical, at least two of the Chicken Ranch girls have characters and actual names (in the movie none of them do; they're all credited as the Chicken Ranch Girls), and they have several numbers that make them more like people and not entirely like window dressing."

When film rights are bought and sold, anything can happen, and probably will. Some movie musicals are very faithful to the original piece. "My Fair Lady" is the perfect example of that.

#39

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ChrisTyler1288 said: "I'd be curious to get my hands on a copy of the musical's script and see what and all could be done with it to make it palatable to today's audience. The score has a LOT of great songs that when done WELL, can bring down the house."

Having seen the show, and having owned the script, I honestly don't get what people are talking about in terms of it not being "palatable." That men sing about liking to have sex with women? That some men pay for sex from professionals? In an era where sex workers are more respected than ever, yet also the age of Trump's corrupt administration and Fox News phoney kissing up to "traditional valules," it may work better now than ever.

The only thing I wonder about is Shy, the young girl who comes to the house with Angel, and Mona almost turns away as a worker until she realizes that Shy was sexually abused by her father and has run away without anywhere to go. It isn't played for laughs at all, and it leads into a great song, "Girl, You're a Woman." I wonder if today that would seem "inappropriate" in a musical comedy, or if audiences would applaud Masterson and King for looking a fairly serious subject straight in the eye.

A good revival would be very welcome.

Updated On: 9/1/26 at 05:34 PM

#40

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Since we seem to have some experts around here, anyone able to identify some of the Aggies from the number? Jeff Calhoun is pretty recognizable, IMO. And Engel provided a handy version of the restored cut pointing out himself in it. But I've wondered who the blond playing the manager character/principal (?) vocalist is, among others and haven't been able to figure it out. Most of them don't have photos on IMBD (I'm assuming this is the "Better than a football game?" guy).

#41

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joevitus said: "ChrisTyler1288 said: "I'd be curious to get my hands on a copy of the musical's script and see what and all could be done with it to make it palatable to today's audience. The score has a LOT of great songs that when done WELL, can bring down the house."

Having seen the show, and having owned the script, I honestly don'tget what people are talking about in terms of it not being "palatable." That men sing about liking to have sex with women? That some men pay for sex from professionals? In an era where sex workers are more respected than ever, yet also the age of Trump's corrupt administration and Fox News phoney kissing up to "traditionalvalules," it may work better now than ever.

The only thing I wonder about is Shy, the young girl who comes to the house with Angel, and Mona almost turns away as a worker until she realizes that Shy was sexually abused by her father and has run away without anywhere to go. It isn't played for laughs at all, and itleads into a great song, "Girl, You're a Woman." I wonder if today that would seem "inappropriate" in a musical comedy, or if audiences would applaud Masterson and King for looking a fairly serious subject straight in the eye.

A good revival would be very welcome.
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I'm also a little confused about what would be "problematic" about the show as-is. It's decidedly very much a sympathetic and humanizing portrayal of sex workers without most of the typical "women in danger" tropes around it (these women are certainly pretty empowered, particularly for a show set fifty years ago or so!), while also a skewering of conservative moral hypocrisy and media sensationalism.

And unlike the movie, the stage show is much more of an ensemble piece instead of than the Mona Show.


"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

Updated On: 9/1/26 at 05:44 PM

#42

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MemorableUserName said: "That's not an issue in the musical. It's a consequence of the movie's focus on Burt and Dolly, and the invention of the Ed Earl-Mona relationship, which doesn't exist in the musical. Anything related to the girls other than Hard Candy Christmas was basically erased. In the musical, at least two of the Chicken Ranch girls have characters and actual names (in the movie none of them do; they're all credited as the Chicken Ranch Girls), and they have several numbers that make them more like people and not entirely like window dressing."

Thanks to you and nealb1 for raising this point. Perhaps the stage version (which I haven't seen) already dealt adequately with my little complaint.

#43

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MemorableUserName said: "Since we seem to have some experts around here, anyone able to identify some of the Aggies from the number? Jeff Calhoun is pretty recognizable, IMO. And Engel provided a handy version of the restored cut pointing out himself in it. But I've wondered who the blond playing the manager character/principal (?) vocalist is, among others and haven't been able to figure it out. Most of them don't have photos on IMBD (I'm assuming this is the "Better than a football game?" guy)."

I just know the dancers from the closing credits, and what IMBD shows. David Engel and I did "Singing In The Rain" together in 2008, and he had great stories about the filming of the movie.

UPDATE: Tim Topper is blond guy playing the manager.

Updated On: 9/1/26 at 06:04 PM

#44

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So last week my partner and I watched the film version (and “9 to 5”, and the All Stars Drag Race with the Dolly runway… for reasons), and I thought the exact same thing as this thread.


My personal pitch for a production: get a tiny off-Broadway house, dress it up like a honky tonk/ country bar. Stage the show environmentally with a country band playing in the corner, and the characters grabbing mics for songs. Have characters start line dances with the audience for certain numbers, if we’re feeling expensive build a second floor of walkways above the audience that characters can use for the farcical chase sequence. Cast a Bowen Yang or Cole Escola as the preacher (and play it as campy as possible).


Now my big swing would be to keep the show as written, but cast Mona & the girls as Drag Queens. You can choose to lean into the legalized prostitution of it all or not (lord knows the idea of making the sex workers gays and trans femmes isn’t riddled with land mines of stereotypes & problematic narratives), but the idea of the Whorehouse being a gay club just outside of town where boys can escape to and there’s “nothing dirty’s going on” feels a little too perfect given how the story progresses.


I know, not everything can be “Cats The Jellicle Ball”, but I’d much rather this than another concert staging.

#45

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MemorableUserName said: "Since we seem to have some experts around here, anyone able to identify some of the Aggies from the number? Jeff Calhoun is pretty recognizable, IMO. And Engel provided a handy version of the restored cut pointing out himself in it. But I've wondered who the blond playing the manager character/principal (?) vocalist is, among others and haven't been able to figure it out. Most of them don't have photos on IMBD (I'm assuming this is the "Better than a football game?" guy)."

Don't know his name, but the black haired one who ends up standing on the porch at the end of the number went on to do gay porn. As I heard the story, he was cut from the dance number and stuck on the porch because, at that time, he refused to do nudity and wouldn't do the shower sequence. So he was punished by being placed on the sidelines.

#46

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The changes the movie makes turn the story into a fairly generic love story with a title it kinda wastes. I watched it for the first time when I got older, and it was like watching a DCOM: inoffensive, but certainly not any good. People argue that the stage version doesn't have the same issues. That's true, but from a producer's standpoint, would that matter? Outside of the kind of people who haunt this board, the public memory of Whorehouse is Dolly Parton, Burt Reynolds, maybe "Hard Candy Christmas," and "I Will Always Love You"—a song that doesn't exist in the original, can't be added without including the love story, will likely be in the soon-to-smash Dolly musical, and is separately tied up in people's cultural imagination through a different icon in a bad movie.



I imagine any revival will end up being some sort of hacked-together melding of the two by a good-to-great comedy writer with "updated" jokes and a pass-over from a respected script doctor (or three) to firm up the spine, which is a terrifying thought that suggests we should perhaps leave well enough alone. If we lived in a world where this could be good, I'd say this would be a great role for Audra to finally return to musical comedy, as I've been praying for years! We don't live in that world.

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