Illinoise - best new score?

[BETTY22]

Posted: 3/16/24 at 1:00pm

Broadway Journal/ Phillip Boroff reports:

Orin Wolf is preparing to move the dance piece to the St. James Theater, packing another new musical into the busy 2023-24 season.

Is this eligible for best new score? 

 

[yyys]

Posted: 3/16/24 at 1:04pm

No, not written specifically for a musical.

[Kad]

Posted: 3/16/24 at 1:38pm

For somebody who reliably has insider industry info, I’m kind of surprised you’d even ask. 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 12:20am

Definitely gonna win Best New Score

 

In 2005

[OhHiii]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 9:42am

Kad said: "For somebody who reliably has insider industry info, I’m kind of surprised you’d even ask."

To be fair, the source material isn't exactly mainstream. I didn't actually know about its existence until this show and I'm so glad I do now.

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 9:52am

In a world without Google I suppose that would be fair

[BETTY22]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 3:28pm

I could make the argument either way on this.

Several concept albums have been released before shows - that went on to be eligible for best score.

The show isn't a greatest hits piece like Movin Out or the upcoming Alicia Keys musical. 

 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 3:47pm

BETTY22 said: "I could make the argument either way on this.
Several concept albums have been released before shows - that went on to beeligible for best score.
The show isn't a greatest hits piece like Movin Out or the upcoming Alicia Keys musical."


Did you get bonked on the head?

Nobody involved has ever pretended that ILLINOISE was written as a stage musical and then produced as a concept album (nearly 20 years ago). This is not a JCS or even a HADESTOWN situation (or, to use more recent examples of long-gestating work, Here Lies Love and Harmony). The stage production of ILLINOISE was commissioned & developed by the Fisher Center at Bard 10+ years after the album.

Remember that the Best Score rules also changed in the 1990s, after a string of weird Tony noms/wins for work that was never written explicitly for a stage musical and/or old scores considered new (Tommy, State Fair, Me And My Girl, Treemonisha, Happy End, Eubie!, the Cats lyrics, the Jelly's Last Jam music, etc). 

Updated On: 3/18/24 at 03:47 PM

[RippedMan]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 3:48pm

It’s a dance piece to an existing album. So I’d say no. 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 4:16pm

There's nothing funnier than theatre people talking about well known non theatre music using theatrey terms.

It's hysterical.

The indie music world would be like "Why are you discussing Sufjan like this?"

Updated On: 3/18/24 at 04:16 PM

[RUkiddingme]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 4:21pm

Didn't Stereophonic win best score?

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 4:50pm

rattleNwoolypenguin said: "There's nothing funnier than theatre people talking about well known non theatre music using theatrey terms.

It's hysterical.

The indie music world would be like "Why are you discussing Sufjan like this?""

What?

RUkiddingme said: "Didn’t Stereophonic win best score?"

…What??

I swear some of the posters on the boards these days are huffing paint.

[schubox]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 4:58pm

Is this for sure coming to Broadway? Was going to extend my trip a day to catch it since I've been trying to see it since it was upstate. But wanted to make sure before I changed my flight 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 3/18/24 at 6:07pm

schubox said: "Is this for sure coming to Broadway? Was going to extend my trip a day to catch it since I've been trying to see it since it was upstate. But wanted to make sure before I changed my flight"

It has not been officially announced yet. It is believed to be opening at the St. James prior to the Tony cutoff.

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 10:19am

ColorTheHours048 said: "rattleNwoolypenguin said: "There's nothing funnier than theatre people talking about well known non theatre music using theatrey terms.

It's hysterical.

The indie music world would be like "Why are you discussing Sufjan like this?""

What?

RUkiddingmesaid: "Didn’t Stereophonic win best score?"

…What??

I swear some of the posters on the boards these days are huffing paint."

 

I'm not. Sufjan is from the indie folk world, where that album is SO famous, so beloved, a classic, and so it is genuinely funny seeing theatre people who probably don't listen to Sufjan Stevens pontificating about it being a "concept album" like Evita was or something.

We just are very in our own little bubble sometimes.

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 10:30am

To be fair, the original poster, who is apparently unfamiliar with the material, likely is calling it a "concept album" because that's how it's described on Wikipedia. Clearly it's not the same thing as what theatergoers would consider a concept album, but it's not that unreasonable of a mistake to make if one really is unfamiliar with the artist.



 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 10:47am

But if you are not connected to theatre you don't see the term "concept album" and immediately go

"Ah, of course. A song cycle ultimately intending to play at Roundabout"

 

[ColorTheHours048]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 10:54am

rattleNwoolypenguin said: "But if you are not connected to theatre you don't see the term "concept album" and immediately go

"Ah, of course. A song cycle ultimately intending to play at Roundabout"

"

We get it. You’re very pretentious.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 11:19am

I don’t think it will/can even be considered.  Keep in mind, Pete Townshend won the Tony for best score for the original production of Tommy with some backlash. Aside from the songs I Believe my own Eyes and Sally Simpson’s question, they were all songs that came out in 1969. The rule was changed so that a musical adaptation like a Disney musical for example, had to have at least half the score be written for the stage in addition to any songs from the original film. 

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 11:27am

ColorTheHours048 said: "rattleNwoolypenguin said: "But if you are not connected to theatre you don't see the term "concept album" and immediately go

"Ah, of course. A song cycle ultimately intending to play at Roundabout"

"

We get it. You’re very pretentious."

Cause theatre snobs aren't pretentious? That's some glass house you got there.

[rattleNwoolypenguin]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 11:31am

Islander_fan said: "I don’t think it will/can even be considered. Keep in mind, Pete Townshend won the Tony for best score for the original production of Tommy with some backlash. Aside from the songs I Believe my own Eyes and Sally Simpson’s question, they were all songs that came out in 1969. The rule was changed so that a musical adaptation like a Disney musical for example, had to have at least half the score be written for the stage in addition to any songs from the original film."

That IS actually ridiculous about Tommy especially when you consider they adapted the album into a musical film, and I think at one point someone did a stage production of it.

[schubox]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 12:21pm

As someone who has adored Sufjan for decades and seen him in concert multiple times, this thread is weird 

[Ensemble1696584123]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 3:25pm

ColorTheHours048 said: "rattleNwoolypenguin said: "There's nothing funnier than theatre people talking about well known non theatre music using theatrey terms.

It's hysterical.

The indie music world would be like "Why are you discussing Sufjan like this?""

What?

RUkiddingmesaid: "Didn’t Stereophonic win best score?"

…What??

I swear some of the posters on the boards these days are huffing paint."

It's not only a "these days" condition though. It's a perpetual thing on anon chat boards.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 3/19/24 at 9:46pm

rattleNwoolypenguin said: "We just are very in our own little bubble sometimes."

It would have been quite possible to introduce your rather useful information without mocking other Broadway fans for not knowing a lot about every other genre of music.

[hak5]

Posted: 4/8/24 at 8:12pm

Do we know if they will be recording an album ?