Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?
Stand-by Joined: 11/18/11
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#1
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:05pm
With the latest piece by Reidel implying a Tony voter protest against the show, are the show's Tony chances dead for Best Musical? Or even any tech awards?
It would be a shame to punish the creators whom the voters claim to support. After all, wasn't the whole point of this mess that this was the creator's work and not the Broadway producers' in the Kagans? If the Kagans have folded, why the protest then? Show hasn't even officially opened for goodness sake...
As a film critic and someone who is big-time into film awards politics, I hate to see this kind of crap come up in the theatre world too...ugh
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#2
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:07pm
Perhaps. Although that was only one person who said that. So perhaps not. We'll see I guess.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#4
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:09pm
There's a long time between now and the Tonys and a lot of Tony voters are fairly forgiving when a big hit is involved. We'll see!
Stand-by Joined: 11/18/11
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#5
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:11pm
CindersGolightly said: "Perhaps. Although that was only one person who said that. So perhaps not. We'll see I guess.
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He said "a few voters" which made me concerned this is already out of control and widespread. I just hate to see something that's already been resolved that really is a big fat nothing now get people all riled up months before voting.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#6
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:19pm
I speculated that the lousy way the Kagans ignored their contract might hurt them come Tony time in another thread. Maybe with them backing down things might just be forgotten.
Updated On: 11/1/16 at 08:19 PM
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#7
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:20pm
Riedel also implied that voters would turn on Hamilton because of all the hype. It's early in the season, it's hard to say.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#9
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:26pm
Again, it's Riedel. The same man who said Hamilton was imploding from feuds before the transfer was announced.
Take a step back. Are there "a few voters" who would bad mouth Comet? You better believe it: just count the above the title producers in every other new musical that expects to be in contention. If Comet is better than the competition, it'll win the big prize. (No one would penalize the creatives on this account so that's not even on the table. And if it wins and Kagan accepts it, he will be booed and humiliated. That sounds like more fun than denying the show the award it deserves.
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#11
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:34pm
It seems stupid to punish the show and by proxy, Ars Nova because of this. After all, if the show wins any Tonys such as Best Musical etc, Ars Nova will be one of the recipients.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#12
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:46pm
BroadwayConcierge said: "Riedel is a joke. Sad!"
I agree, but this reads as a Donald Trump tweet, and I cannot stop laughing.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#13
Posted: 11/1/16 at 8:49pm
Sunny11 said: "Cough.. Finding Neverland.. Cough."
Except I can't think of any Tonys that Finding Neverland deserved...oops.
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#15
Posted: 11/1/16 at 9:01pm
Cinders, that was my intent, hee!
And willep is right. Neverland deserved nothing, and people who continue to say it was "snubbed" for political reasons are still wrong. The strength of the spring showings will determine if and where Comet deserves nominations, but it's objectively a significantly better production than Neverland.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#16
Posted: 11/1/16 at 9:07pm
Carolee Carmelo deserves an award every time she so much as blinks, but like, Concierge is correct. It would be a much different story if the show was a better show in a less crowded season. But it wasn't.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#17
Posted: 11/1/16 at 9:53pm
Why did the drama desk and drama league awards feel that Finding Neverland and some of its actors deserved nominations then ? Their nominators are as equally as qualified to judge theather as the Tony's.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#18
Posted: 11/1/16 at 9:55pm
This does hurt the show, but they'll get some nominations. It also helps COME FROM AWAY & EVAN HANSEN.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#19
Posted: 11/1/16 at 9:59pm
Lots of people say "Matilda" lost the Tony for Best Musical because the RSC dangled the show and made promises to several producers before giving it to the Dodgers.
There is also speculation that "Nine" won best musical over "Dreamgirls" because that asshat Bernie Schoenfeld and the rest of the Shubert Organization were key players in getting many stunning theatres torn down to make room for the eyesore that is the Marriott Hotel.
Don't kid yourself, Tony voters remember .
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#20
Posted: 11/1/16 at 10:03pm
wow the misapprehension/misinformation/blatant errors in this thread is reaching a fever pitch.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#21
Posted: 11/1/16 at 10:05pm
Sunny11 said: "Why did the drama desk and drama league awards feel that Finding Neverland and some of its actors deserved nominations then ? Their nominators are as equally as qualified to judge theather as the Tony's.
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Because fun home wasn't eligible.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#22
Posted: 11/1/16 at 10:11pm
Sunny11 said: "Why did the drama desk and drama league awards feel that Finding Neverland and some of its actors deserved nominations then ? Their nominators are as equally as qualified to judge theather as the Tony's. "
Fun Home was eligible for Tonys in 2015 but the Drama Desk and Drama League in 2014, so that's part of it. Also, 4 shows were nominated for Best Musical at the Tonys while the DL nominated twice that number. And the DD Awards also have 6 nominees per category, but the Tonys have 5.
Broadway Star Joined: 9/15/16
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#23
Posted: 11/1/16 at 10:35pm
I'm not sure it's fair to say that the show is "dead Tony-wise" just yet. We'll see...but boy oh boy do I feel bad for Ars Nova, the investors, and the cast of GREAT COMET.
Updated On: 11/2/16 at 10:35 PM
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#24
Posted: 11/1/16 at 10:41pm
Riedel also tried to stir up a Tony voter revolt over the issue of their tickets. And as already demonstrated in this thread, losing a Tony is ALWAYS a conspiracy to fans of the show. Every single year. It's simply not interesting if a show loses because fewer voters felt it wasn't deserving. There needs to be a malicious agenda. Personally, I think one Riedel is more than enough.
Is Great Comet dead Tonys-wise?#26
Posted: 11/1/16 at 11:18pm
@Cfried, walk us through that. Who are these Tony voters who will "remember" and who don't already have a reason to vote against the show? And why feel sorry for Ars NOva? They got what they asked for, and a heck of a lot of additional free publicity to boot.
@MM, totally agree.
@PT nothing that needs to be added. It's all sitting there as clear as day.
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