Is it time for a mass exodus from Broadway World? — Page 2

BWWMatt said: "
I get that this seems like we are splitting hairs here on this, but I truly believe that if you call someone a racist (for example), that ends the discussion whether you want it to or not, because it makes someone automatically defensive.

However, if you say that you believe that what the other person thinks is racist (and then hopefully explain why), that leaves the other person the opportunity to step back and disassociate with what was said, so that the dialogue can continue in a hopefully positive manner."
"

No. Hard no. Pass.

Call a racist a racist. If anything we should be doing more of calling racists racist.

I'm not going to walk past someone wearing a sheet over their head and burning a cross on a lawn and engage them in the difference between being a racist and having racist beliefs. That's a racist.

A white woman at Yale who has not once, but twice, called the police on black Yale students, yet manages to never call the police on white Yale students, is a racist. Call her a racist.

I've probably been on BWW longer than a handful of posters here have been alive, but if this is really the hill the mods are choosing to die on...nope.

The Distinctive Baritone said: "Seriously though, get rid of the friggin' pop-up ads. I know you need money to run your site, but come on."

Could you send me a screenshot of what pop-ups you are seeing? And maybe the device/browser you are seeing them on. There should not be any pop-ups of any kind showing up.

matt [at] broadwayworld dot com

And what would you do on a new forum? Hyperventilate when someone has a different opinion than yours and then calling him/her names without personal attacks being corrected by a moderator?

Be my guest. Bye.

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "What people are having issues with is the seemingly censorship of one side who feel as if they are just calling people out on what they are REALLY saying and revealing about themselves and yet all the blatantly racist material is just being left up.


For POC, there's no real difference if a personal attack is against somebody using someone's user name or if they just hide behind a technicality of the rule by mentioning or including those posters in their insults and inflammatory language but don't mention them by name but rather just attack whole groups of people in which those posters belong. The effect is NOT different.."

You are completely oblivious about reality. It's not one side. The moderators do not pick sides in discussions. Your posts get deleted if you misbehave, not if you have certain opinions in a discussion about a certain subject.

Discussion wise, I think for example, that it is you who actually attacks POC by demanding that they forever should be treated differently based on their color, a harmful process that another poster on this board very well explained. A process that prevents equality. Which is insulting and belittling, not everyone respects being pushed into the victim role. Should we take that as personal attacks too? No, because there is a difference between standpoint and behaviour in a discussion. If you can't tell these 2 apart then you actually have no business being on any forum.

Updated On: 5/10/18 at 07:28 PM

Don't go Erik, you're one of the good guys.

Anakela said: "BWWMatt said: "
I get that this seems like we are splitting hairs here on this, but I truly believe that if you call someone a racist (for example), that ends the discussion whether you want it to or not, because it makes someone automatically defensive.

However, if you say that you believe that what the other person thinks is racist (and then hopefully explain why), that leaves the other person the opportunity to step back and disassociate with what was said, so that the dialogue can continue in a hopefully positive manner."
"

No. Hard no. Pass.

Call a racist a racist. If anything we should be doing more of calling racists racist.

I'm not going to walk past someone wearing a sheet over their head and burning a cross on a lawn and engage them in the difference between being a racist and having racist beliefs. That's a racist.

A white woman at Yale who has not once, but twice, called the police on black Yale students, yet manages to never call the police on white Yale students,is a racist. Call her a racist.

I've probably been on BWW longer than a handful of posters here have been alive, but if this is really the hill the mods are choosing to die on...nope."

GeorgeandDot said:

Look, the racism, whether it be blatant or casual or subconscious, is ridiculous on this board. It's the truth. The whole "knock off the PC talk" is becoming a daily event here. Being PC means nothing more than having respect for those who are different than you and being respectful of their thoughts and wishes. This isn't really racist behavior, but rather just nasty and unempathetic and disrespectful behavior. The racism is more casual. No one's throwing around slurs, but you do have people saying some really racist things here. Now you've decided that calling out someone's racist behavior is a personal attack? Seriously? I love theatre and I love to discuss the shows and do some dreamcasting, but this just ruins it for me. This isn't a place that feels welcoming for many of us. I think I'm done with these boards. It's just a bunch of kids in the midwest and a bunch of old white men complaining that there's too many black people on Broadway.

Both of these posts are worth highlighting.

That's not what I said, read again.

Elfuhbuh, what exactly do you not understand? I just said there's a difference between standpoint and behaviour in a discussion. If you can't tell these 2 apart then you actually have no business being on any forum. Being rude or calling names is why I say he has no business being on any forum. If he can't keep the latter out of the first. That's something very different from: Claiming that someone has no business being on any forum because they don't align themselves exactly with MY VIEW about the subject matter.

Updated On: 5/10/18 at 08:02 PM

Ok fine, we have 2 camps calling each other racist. That's not really interesting. Arguments are.

Why separate on race? Why a 1 way street in treatment? Why the desire for an uneven level? Those are interesting discussion points.

Updated On: 5/10/18 at 08:20 PM