LuPone stops Vegas show - Page 5

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 10:34pm

Listen and learn, FlyingMoney, "diction" and "dictation" are not the same thing:

Dictation:



Diction:

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 10:35pm

Check out a dictationary.

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 10:37pm

Isn't FlyingMonkey the loser who started all the rumors about Patti being fined from equity?

[givesmevoice]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 10:41pm

"My eyes are fully open to my awful situation
So I?m writing you a letter to demand an explanation
When the audience who came for me
Arrived here Sunday evening
I discovered upon singing that the jerk
Was really texting
So the only possibility is that this guy lacks manners
I request he stop texting all the people in his phone book
And unless you can convince me
We?ve improved our public manners
I?ll take my concerts elsewhere
So I hope you solve this matter"


I don't write patter songs well, but here's my humble spoof on The Speed Test.

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:11pm

Actually, pretty sure one can use the word "dictation" when talking about singing and speaking in regards to enunciation. Sorry to have ruffled your queen feathers.

[givesmevoice]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:13pm

Main Entry:
dic·ta·tion
Function:
noun
Date:
1651

1 a: prescription b: arbitrary command2 a (1): the act or manner of uttering words to be transcribed (2): material that is dictated or transcribed b (1): the performing of music to be reproduced by a student (2): music so reproduced



the word YOU'D like is diction. you bought too many vowels.

Updated On: 6/22/09 at 11:13 PM

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:16pm

No, the word "dictation" may be used too. But thanks!

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:17pm

pretty sure one can use the word "dictation" when talking about singing and speaking in regards to enunciation

As sure as you were that Patti was being fined by Equity?

Because you're equally right about each.

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:20pm

Yawn. PalJoey...she got in big trouble for what she did in GYPSY. You and I both know this.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:26pm

Yawn.

I know it like I know dictation.

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:27pm

It's okay. I forgive you. I understand you are old and a single, bitter queen.

[April Saul]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:28pm

Hey guys--
I just checked with Dictionary.com and realized that, at least according to that website, Flying Monkey appears to be right in saying that the word "dictation" can be used to refer to singing--although I wouldn't have thought that myself before this thread.

I'm as annoyed by cell phones and texting in theaters as anyone, but yeah, I agree with the handful of posters here who think the Lupone remedy only makes it =worse...although there appear to be those fans who seem to be loving the diva act so much that perhaps it will make her more popular for it! By the way, a link on this thread leads to a Vegas blogger who says it had been established that the photographer who enraged Patti during that Gypsy performance was indeed an accredited professional photog, which I'd long wondered about. Did this ever become clear, one way or another?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:34pm

Single? I'm haven't been single since the second Clinton administration.

But when I was single and your age, I already understood that to equate "single" and "bitter" is reflective of one thing only: the speaker's own deep-rooted self-loathing.

[givesmevoice]

Posted: 6/22/09 at 11:35pm

no, "dictation" is saying or singing something specifically so that it will be notated, or written down. so it can refer to singing, but what Flying Monkey wanted to get across was Patti's poor enunciation, or diction (which isn't true, anyway).

[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 12:37am

I LOVE BROADWAY WORLD.

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 3:29am

Believe me, I saw Patti live and could BARELY understand her when she was singing. I think this has been discussed many times in the past how she needs to work on the enunciation of her words so they aren't a garbled mess.

And the word "dictation" can be used when talking about singing something a certain way so that one can UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE SINGING!!!
Updated On: 6/23/09 at 03:29 AM

[KJisgroovy]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 4:06am

It's amazing that people need to insist they have spoken correctly... when a simple "oops" would do the job.

The dictionary does not agree with your definition of the word, sir. If you don't agree with the dictionary... I suppose that's your choice. According to the dictionary... and the accepted definition of that word... dictation is used only when the content being spoken/sung is to be transcribed. Clearly, you are using the word incorrectly.

As for Patti... eh. People shouldn't be texting. To defend them... is not only besides the point... but a tiny bit absurd. I think the outburst makes Patti look foolish... but obviously... she's entitled to present herself as she pleases. I don't think it makes her look unprofessional... and I do think a person texting deserves whatever they get... but... I don't see the need to interrupt a performance in this instance. Should an audience member be allowed to "boo" Ms. Patti if they disapprove of her "dictation"? Which is the worse crime? Apples and Oranges I suppose.

Ultimately she can behave however she likes, and anyone can disapprove if they so please. It's her show. And it's your dollar.

kmc

I'm not sure any of that makes sense... it's late... yikes!

[mormonophobic]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 4:09am

Although I absolutely love Patti and enjoy the way she sings, I can empathize with those complaining about her diction. When she started singing (SPOILER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE SHOW) "A Boy Like That/I Have A Love" the first few lines were sung so Patti-like that I actually wasn't sure if this was the classic version or the one from the revival. Up until "stick to your own kind" I was certain she was singing "Un Hombre Asi". Regardless I obviously enjoy the way she sings otherwise I wouldn't have been there in the first place. Oh and for those who were there, how ridiculously amazing is it that she sang that song? I love her explanation too. Either way, a fantastic show from a wonderful woman. And is it strange that I've been debating whether I went on the right night? While I am so overwhelmingly jubilant that I got to see Patti LuPone sing "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" (I'd never see her do it live and the moment she transitioned to it I started to beam) I still think a Patti freak-out would have been just as good. It's like watching one of those nature channels with a lion eating a gazelle. It's terrifying, but you just can't look away.

[FlyingMonkey1223]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 4:28am

Well, I am not going to comment on this again other than to say the word "dictation" was used correctly in my original post. It is also referred to as 'ear training' by some vocal coaches.

[fgreene1938]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 7:17am

I heard that a complete recording of Patti's meltdown-in-Vegas is going to be released under the title "The Lady With the Blowtorch". Also, her one woman show is now being advertised under the title "Patti Lupone: The B****y in My Soul". All's well that ends well.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 8:00am

And the word "dictation" can be used when talking about singing something a certain way so that one can UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE SINGING!!!

No, it can't.

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 8:15am

"And the word "dictation" can be used when talking about singing something a certain way so that one can UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE SINGING!!!

No, it can't."


He's right - it can't.

This might help.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 9:40am

Just because "people" use it doesn't make it correct. Diction is the word you want. Period.

Just except you fingers went wonky while typing or that you are simply WRONG.

I am not a fan of LuPone, but I am on the fence with her histrionics. Do I know a better solution? Not really, but humiliating a person is not the way to deal with an issue. HER having a grown up temper tantrum is not the answer...she becomes no better than the guilty party.

Perhaps the answer is that ushers need to do their job. Or perhaps their job needs to be overtly expanded.

[James885]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 10:15am

I'm not sure how I feel about these outbursts of hers. On one hand, texting/taking pictures/etc during a performance is unacceptable and any offenders should be dealt with. However shouldn't it be the usher's job to deal with and remove disruptive audience members?

If can understand Patti being upset that someone in the audience was texting, but I don't believe stopping the show and yelling at him/her is the solution.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/23/09 at 10:20am

Well, I am not going to comment on this again other than to say the word "dictation" was used correctly in my original post.

No, it wasn't.

It is also referred to as 'ear training' by some vocal coaches.

Perhaps by someone who is not sure what it means (though it may be a tool used in ear training, it's not a synonym for ear training), but it has nothing to do with diction or enunciation, it has to do with pitch and notation.

I know you want to be right, but if you have the access to a trusted professional, then you might want to verify it with them. Those of us who have spent years (even decades) in classes and formal training actually do have expertise in musical vocabulary. It's ok to look it up and say, "Oops! My bad." I do it all the time. But insisting EVERYONE ELSE is wrong is really just making it worse for yourself.

dramamama611 - I think you mean "accept your". Whoopsie!