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#1

Madonna's Evita

Whenever this subject comes up, people automaticaly take sides and either say "She was brilliant" or "She was horrible" but rarely go into detail. I'm curious why some of you who hated it as much as you say you do felt this way because I thought it WAS brilliant and that she did a great job. I know you say they changed this and that to suit her voice but is that really such a bad thing?
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I saw Patti and Madonna and liked both very much. :)
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I felt that she lacked energy in the role. Evita is really for a belt voice which Madonna doesn't have. It would have been more effective if the actress playing Evita had a stronger voice.

Additionally, the director ran out of ideas. How many times did he repeat that clip of Evita on the train waving goodbye to her hometown? At least three.
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Aw jeez. Here we go.

Unfortunately, I was too young to see the original production of Evita, which apparently had spectacular staging. I have, however, spent many hours listening to several different recorded versions of the score and come to one conclusion: For a woman who did so much in her life, NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE MUSICAL.

Very little is active. It is either narration or political discourse. So, imho, the only sources of excitement come from the staging and the vocal pyrotechnics of the lead actress.

Madonna couldn't supply those...and the script isn't there to back her up. Add to it, the coy, dead-behind-the-eyes look she sometimes employed (though not in the very effective death-bed scene), and you have a lackluster performance.

There is very little movement or action in Evita. And the naturalism of the film (and the smallness of the lead performance) exacerbated that.
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i love madonna, i really do. . .but not as "evita".
she lacked what another poster stated here: ENERGY. she was bland. where was the fire? where was the passion? they re-worked the score to fit her vocal range and in doing that they killed something along the way.

listen to "rainbow high" on the OBC and then listen to it on the OMPS... lupone's leaps out at you with that passion, it's a diva turn in her hands. madonna's version literally made me yawn. another good example: "buenos aires" what was a thriving , driving vocal on top of a hot latin beat was relegated to a lackluster vocal performance backed by a plodding musical arrangement. it seems the whole damn score plods so she can keep up with it. visually, the movie is stunning but i really expected alot more from her performance and i was seriously let down.
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As I have said many times before, I hate Madonna with a ferocious passion. She is an untalented biatch with a faux British accent.

However...

I thought she was great in this film.
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I agree with Matt_G 100%. Of all of the musical movies I've seen, her performance was one of the best IMO, at least among already-famous actresses.

Also, Matt, what's with the Elphie avatar? lol, took me by surprise first time I saw it
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This is what I posted in the other Evita thread (and sorry folks, but this is just how I feel):

"I found her performance in Evita cold, remote, plastic, unemotive (partly the director's fault as well) and undersung. It was like her video for "Vogue" -- lots of posing and attitude, but without a drop of warm blood running underneath the facade. Where was the fire? The spontaneity? The life behind the eyes? The whole film looked like a two hour feminine hygiene commercial to me. Nice cinematography. No depth whatsoever. Whatever criticisms one may have of Lupone, she never lacked in urgency and fire and passion (to say nothing of VOICE)."

I would also add that Parker further distanced Eva during the crowd scenes (notably "Don't Cry For Me Argentina") by filming Madonna singing to the crowd and then cutting to the crowd staring up at Madonna, leaving us in the audience in the odd position of being a third party observer not only of Eva, but also of the crowd itself. By never having Madonna sing directly to us (an odd choice since Che and other charcters do sing directly into the camera), Parker cuts us off from the full emotional impact of that and other scenes, making Eva a remote figure to us and thus she is never fully able to engage our (or at least MY) sympathies.

Beyond her vocal shortcomings, Madonna's performance to me is all posture and artifice, but part of that is the fault of her director whose camera and editing choices, rendered her even more one-dimensional than her hollow performance deserved. Forget Lupone for a moment, imagine the richness and charisma and nuance and inner life a Streep or even a Pfeiffer could have brought to the role, even with a less-than-competent Parker at the healm.
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No need to appologize, Margo. Great post, very well thought out arguements (as usual)
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Everyone knows what I think already. re: Madonna's Evita
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I believe in the end it was down to Madonna, Meryl Streep or Michele Pfeiffer.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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At one point, Bernadette Peters was seriously being considered.
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To tell you the truth, I just can't imagine seeing Meryl or Michele as EVITA. Just thinking what they would have looked like makes me glad they weren't apart of it (especially Meryl).
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None of the three (Madonna, Streep, Pfeiffer) are up to the vocal demands. I love the score.

I did not see the movie - in the movie Eva sings Another Suitcase?? How bizarre. Especially considering the range...it's a completely different tessatura than Eva's songs.
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Updated On: 10/28/04 at 04:37 PM

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spider, there is footage out there of Meryl's screen test for Evita.

Interestingly enough, Streep saw herself, realized she wasn't right for the role and pulled herself out.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

Updated On: 10/28/04 at 04:38 PM

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Yes, Rath. She sings it while she is trying to find a job and at the end she meets the photographer who starts her rise to the top. I love hearing Evita do it. There is also a little reprise when the young girl sings it after Evita tells her to leave Peron. LOVE it.
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For the film for moving the story along, it actually works better if Eva sings that song. On stage it's the other way around.

And I believe there's footage of Pfeiffer as well, Goth.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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I would love to see that footage
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
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So would I. I'm still hoping that Disney will put out a special edition DVD with all the stuff that was on the Criterion laser disc. It was an enormous amount of bonus features that was worth every cent.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
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GASP!!! I didn't know that the laser disk existed. I want them to release it too. NOW, DISNEY. NOW!!!
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
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Email Disney and let them know. I've done it more times than I'll admit to.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#22

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I just don't think Madonna could handle the vocal demands of the role.

And, as stated before, she lacked energy and passion. She was just very bland.


And, as MArquise said, I also felt they should have left 'Another Suticase, Another Hall" to the mistress.

But, all-in-all, it wasn't a horrendous performance by any means. It was just very mediocre.

Antonio Banderas is what really ruined the movie for me. They should have kept Mandy.


But I DID like Jonathan Pryce.
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Oh dear God, anyone but Mandy!
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#24

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I don't, and never will, understand why some people don't like him.

He is effing brilliant. In everything.

"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
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as much as i was disappointed in madonna's performance, as a whole i did love the movie....visually it was stunning and a top-notch production all the way. i have that criterion collection laserdisc too and it always baffled me as to why it wasn't transferred to DVD.

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