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#101

re: Madonna's Evita



Oh please, that voice has been "sweetened" and artificially enhanced (if not completely pre-recorded) at every concert she's ever given -- that's simply a fact. A good friend who has worked sound at several major venues in the country since the 80s has played me sound board tapes of what is actually coming out of her mouth and into her microphone BUT NOT, god forbid, going out live to the audience and I'm sorry to tell you but THE B*TCH CANNOT SING..... He pitch and timbre and breath control are laughably awful.

Sorry, but if I'm paying money to hear someone perform, either live or on CD, my preference is for real singers who don't need a team of engineers in order to just sound decent. Aretha, Gladys, Patti, Chaka, Jennifer, k.d., Al Green, Luther Vandross, Freddie Mercury, Dolly Parton, Prince, Bonnie Raitt, B.B. King, Ella Fitzgerald, Annie Lennox, Cassandra Wilson, Jimmy Scott, Sarah Vaughan to name a few, are singers I've seen live who were capable of giving a virtuousic vocal performance live without any "sweetening" or overdubbing or pre-recorded tracks of any kind.

As for whether I like dance music or not, I have about 300 12" singles and maybe a thousand tracks burned into my home computer of dance music from disco to hip hop to house. I have dozens of mix CDs from friends who have been some of the best and most prominent DJs in the NYC scene of the last 20 years (and I have spent more nights in house clubs than half the people on this board have been alive). I love great dance music with great vocalists (from Donna Summer to Martha Wash, Rachelle Fleming of First Choice, Jocelyn Brown, Deborah Cox, Loleatta Holloway, Kenny O. Bobien, Joi Cardwell, Byron Stingily, Julie McKnight and SO many others), so guess what -- there's no Madonna in my collection.

You and the rest of her millions of fans can have Madonna if you want her -- I'll take any of those folks I just listed (in addition to dozens of Broadway and opera talents I didn't name) who through the sheer force of their MUSICAL talent (not marketing skill) have earned the success they have attained.
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#102

re: Madonna's Evita

Marketing skill - Musical talent
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Margo, my dear, they are one and the same for the American public. Britney Spears sounds like she's choking whenever I've heard her sing live. Yet, she's a multimillionaire. Someone likes her. Or at least, believes what their sold. re: Madonna's Evita
Word. Word, indeed.
#103

re: Madonna's Evita

Margo - I LOVE your list of singers - each and every one of them re: Madonna's Evita
#104

re: Madonna's Evita

Sorry Margo... there's not one singer on your list that I would rather have seen play Evita in the movie. re: Madonna's Evita Madonna was awesome! She's an incredible all around talent and she certainly doesn't need me or any one else to defend her. She may not be the greatest singer, dancer, actress, or anything else for that matter, that ever lived. But the over all package is what it's all about. How many performers on your list write 95% of their own music? And don't bother launching into a tirade about how much you loathe her music. To each his own. I LOVE it!!! And so do millions of others. And when I go to see someone perform, I'm really not concerned with whether or not their vocals have been "sweetened". What I care about is the overall performance. If all I cared about was flawless vocals I'd stay home and listen to the CD.
There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered. - Nelson Mandela

Updated On: 10/29/04 at 04:49 PM

#105

re: Madonna's Evita

I'm a big fan of Madonna and her music. And I think she's an easy target for a lot of people who are jealous that someone could be that sucessful for such a long period of time. I think she has a beautiful voice and has written some songs that stand the test of time. Almost every artist uses technology to sweeten their voice, that does not mean they can't sing. They are just trying to sound the best they can. But back to Evita, yes, I know the original musical was sung through. But in my opinion, the sung through thing did not work for me in the film. What works on a Broadway stage does not necessarily work in a film.
#106

re: Madonna's Evita

Margo, I want to know what you think of the movie EVITA?

Marquise, yes, respoding with laughing is easier but why don't you tell me what your problem is with my post? Do I speak to honestly for some of you? Do you actually believe people like Patti LuPone were going to be cast in this movie during this MTV generation? Be relalistic you guys. You are dreaming a lot.

EVITA is very rock. You can call it a rock opera like Jesus Christ Superstar or you can call it a pop musical. pop/rock same thing almost. Whatever.
#107

re: Madonna's Evita

bronx,

the chasm between pop (justin timberlake) and rock (bruce springsteen) is nearly as wide as the coultre hole.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."

Updated On: 10/29/04 at 05:56 PM

#108

re: Madonna's Evita

So what do you think EVITA is?
#109

re: Madonna's Evita

pop-opera.

unlike Jesus Christ Superstar, which I consider a rock-opera.

the sound and style of each are very different.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#110

re: Madonna's Evita

Yeah see I would fine something like les miz or chess like a pop opera and something like EVITA more rock opera. Do you have the soundtrack to EVITA film? LIsten to "Lady's Got Potential," "Rainbow Tour," and the middle section of "Oh, What A Circus" It;s the quite the same as on the stage recordings. The orchestrations make it sound rock. I would say that "High Flying Adored" sounds more pop. That's why I said the movie was both. The orignal concept album definitely sounds very rock I think.
#111

re: Madonna's Evita

There is nothing in any of the Andrew Lloyd Weber canon that is even remotely rock. Please look at rock history...
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ~ Muhammad Ali
#112

re: Madonna's Evita

huh? I'm confused. What is Jesus Christ Superstar? Please tell me.
#113

re: Madonna's Evita

Um, Jesus Christ Superstar is just as rock as TOMMY.
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#114

re: Madonna's Evita

Yeah, aren't TOMMY AND JESUS CHRIST SUPERTAR the definitive rock operas?
#115

re: Madonna's Evita

Margo I will second your list and add Joss Stone, a 17 year old soul singer from London who sounds great on CD, but a hundred times better live (the mark of a real singer). I had the privilege of seeing her perform a few weeks ago. Every demographic was represented at that show - I have never seen such diversity at a performance like that - and every single person was having the time of their lives.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#116

re: Madonna's Evita

HEY AL DENTE MARIAH GOT TOO FAMEMOUS & WENT CRAZY.
#117

re: Madonna's Evita

There are many movies that are good & don't make a lot of money.
Just because it didn't make blockbuster $$$ dosn't mean it was a bad movie.There are many movies that make tons of money & they suck ...out loud.
There are a lot of Madonna haters here.
I think Madonna is very talented & everything I'm hearing now on this board is the same stuff I have been hearing since 1983.
She's hear to stay...she's not going anywhere.

Like she said in Truth or Dare: I know I'm not the best singer or dancer. I'm interested in pushing buttons...nobody pushes buttons like Madge.
She has her place & she rules in it.

#118

re: Madonna's Evita

Wait a minute here. How much was Madonna's voice altered in EVITA? I understand at a concert or techno single to sweeten her voice but what I heard in EVITA I thought was her real voice.

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