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#26

re: Madonna's Evita

For me, it all comes down to that final line in "Buenos Aires". 'Just a little touch of STAR QUALITY!' I've yet to hear anyone sing that part how I'd like to hear it: big and belty. Patti didn't do it. Madonna most certainly didn't do it, and the only person I've heard on recording (though I've only heard three) who comes remotely close is whoever plays Eva on the CD I got from footlight ... highlights from the original Broadway production for world tour '89/'90. I have no clue what it is, and there's no cast list either, but it's the only one that I've heard on recording to come even remotely close to what I'd like to hear. And it's not perfect either. She kinda sounds like she yells it. But it's close. I've only heard it done right once and that was in performance in a regional production I saw. Her name was Lee Scaret, althought I'm not sure on the spelling...
#27

re: Madonna's Evita

That line is pretty damn low (I think), and would be hard to belt out, per se.

You might be getting to picky there. re: Madonna's Evita
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#28

re: Madonna's Evita

The reason I don't like Mandy's voice 95% of the time, is because it is so high and airy all the time. I have come to understand that if you see his performance with it (like the Sunday In The Park With George DVD I just bought), it is not as bad. But, just hearing his voice on a recording is ANNOYING!!
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#29

re: Madonna's Evita

i think i am about in the middle when it comes to madonna's performance..i don't think she was horrible but i still would of liked to of had someone with a stronger voice in the part.
#30

re: Madonna's Evita

I liked Madonna's Evita just for "You Must Love Me". Otherwise, I thought it was a big-budget music video (very much like the shallow Moulin Rouge). Don't get me wrong, the best music videos are some of the best art forms out there, but they don't make good movies.
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Updated On: 10/28/04 at 06:10 PM

#31

re: Madonna's Evita

StickTo, the reason some people (well, me anyway), don't like Mandy has nothing to do with his glorious pipes. It has to do with his ridiculously self-indulgent style of performing. I can't stand to watch nor listen to him.
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#32

re: Madonna's Evita

Just a note, Meryl Streep saw the finished film and loved Madonna's performance, saying she was "born to play the role."
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#33

re: Madonna's Evita

re: Madonna's Evita

I agree that Madonna was born to play Evita on screen.


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#34

re: Madonna's Evita

I think Madonna was excellent in this role and her voice was perfect for the music since this is a pop/rock opera and that is the style in which she sang the music. Those of you who wanted some musical theatre person who did it on stage who was going to sing the part in that typical over-emphasizing-every-note-nazal-singing-with tons of vibrato-musical theatre voice are dreaming. This is a new age here and were ARE the MTV generation and I think this is the greatest and most underrated movie musical ever to come out. The way it was shot like a music video(like PINK FLOYD: THE WALL which Alan Parker also directed) is amazing. No other movie musical you guys know was shot completely this way. As far as cinematography and art direction, this movie had EVERYTHING "The English Patient" (which beat it out at the Oscars) had plus a great roock sountrack. There is no other movie like this and I will fight anyone on this board to defend that.
#35

re: Madonna's Evita

Than fight me Bronx.. say what you want about the "beauty" of the film itself, but don't be brainwashed, as the rest of the human race has been, about Madonna having any discernable talent. Here is what Madonna has done for "The MTV generation" and pop culture in general, she made it "ok" and acceptable to have no singing *talent* and yet, become a major star nontheless. That is her legacy. She is the reason Britney Spears, Jennifer lopez, et al, are possible and unfortunately, do exist. I never saw her wear a shirt in one of her concerts with say, Mariah Carey on the front...she even supported another, just like her,(Spears) and that's about the only other recording "artist" I remember Madonna supporting in her 2 decade reign of terror. Should tell you alot.
#36

re: Madonna's Evita

Madonna was ok. Not great, not awful, but ok. I do think she was a wise choice for the role, but the lack of power in her voice needed to be compensated with flawless direction that could tap into Eva's strength of will and powers of manipulation that the film never quite captured. There was nothing in the film to convince me that Madonna's Eva could capture the attention and hearts of an entire nation. Many opportunities for stunning visuals of choreography and movement were completely ignored in scenes like Buenos Aires and Dangerous Game that were static and/or simply bland.

My only problem with Streep, is that I think it would have been very difficult for the viewer to differentiate Streep from Eva. She's an amazing actress, but so monumental, she is best at fictional characters for which we have no comparison. I only wish Oliver Stone could have directed the film (as he was originally slated to do). His intense images and use of historical footage, I think, would have given the film the edge it needed and possibly boosted the strength of Eva's personal as portrayed by Madonna. Look what he did for Cameron Diaz in Any Given Sunday.

I love Michelle Pfeiffer and I don't know about her singing, but I just don't think her speaking voice has the power behind it to play a convincing Eva, but I do think her acting would have blown Madonna out of the water.

For me, the film version of Evita was a nice, yet constantly misguided, effort that had so much potential and opportunity, that instead of holding out for art, settled for simply being made. Streisand? Thank God that never happened.
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Updated On: 10/29/04 at 09:39 AM

#37

re: Madonna's Evita

Al Dental, it just sounds like you have personal issues with Madonna as a person more than her talent. I don't care how she got there. I think she has as nice a pop voice as all the other MTV people and you didn't really say much to refute what I said. Can you tell me more about her voice in your opinion? Can these people like Michele Pheiffer and Meryl Streep sing? Can they sing rock? See, I think it's more than just being able to sing well. You have to sing the style and style in voice is something I am very peticular about.
#38

re: Madonna's Evita

bbe, as Emperor Joseph said in Amadeus, "You are passionate, but you do not persuade"
#39

re: Madonna's Evita

Madonna does not sing rock.

Madonna has never sung rock.

Pat Benatar and Joan Jett sang Rock.

Madonna sings pop.

Evita is not a 'rock' score.

It's a pop/musical-theatre score.
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#40

re: Madonna's Evita

LOL

I was just about to say the same thing, robbiej. What did rock ever have to do with Madonna or Evita?
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#41

re: Madonna's Evita

thank you, Robbie!

Madonna did not convey the character of Evita at all... the character needs a voice that conveys the strength and will of this woman... Madonna does not have that... Streep would have been a better choice...

#42

re: Madonna's Evita

Joey you know I love you more than my luggage, but you're treading on thin ice with that one.
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#43

re: Madonna's Evita

I for one loved Madonna in Evita. I thought she did a GREAT job. At the time I was a HUGE Madonna fan and couldn't wait to see her in the roll of Eva. I have to admit that I've never seen the stage production but when it comes to Philly next summer you can believe I will be there front and center. I will say that Madonna doesn't have the strongest voice out there but she compensated with her presence. She became Eva Peron!!!!
#45

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Pat Benatar...how would HER Evita have been?
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#46

re: Madonna's Evita

OOOooo Robbie!!! what an idea! and she has opera training!!!
#47

re: Madonna's Evita

Joey, I'm teasing you. I happened to love her more than I can say. I'm sure the fact I pray to her each night before I go to sleep had something to do with hit, but I liked the way she did it more than Patti & Mandi (a recording I could never quite get into)
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#48

re: Madonna's Evita

Matt, that wasw the only recording i had for quite some time, and then bought the soundtrack... i wonder how Patti and Antonio would have done together? or PAT and ANTONIO!!!

Updated On: 10/29/04 at 10:51 AM

#49

re: Madonna's Evita

I'll tell you what it is about the OBC recording I don't like.
It's just too damn fast for me. I just picture the entire cast taking speed before they went onstage each night. I really enjoyed it being slowed down for the film. I thought it added a lot of emotion to some of the songs that didn't have it before. It was just a different take on the music that some people liked and obviously some didn't.
"Noah, someday we'll talk again. But there's things we'll never say. That sorrow deep inside you. It inside me, too. And it never go away. You be okay. You'll learn how to lose things..."
#50

re: Madonna's Evita

So here we had a property that seemed guaranteed to make huge bucks. Parker's not exactly an unknown quantity and did a pretty phenomnal job of transferring HAIR to the screen. Madonna seemed an inspired choice for the role. And the play itself was one of those "You gotta see it!" mega-musicals that ran for, like, three or four centuries.

Then the movie comes out, and, while it's okay, it's not the huge blockbuster everyone hoped for. It made a small profit, but nothing huge. The DVD release, which usually has a serious impact on a film's profit margin, was more or less ignored.

Madonna really was an inspired choice, IMHO. Her take on the role is very different from Lupone's, and I did find myself intruiged by the way Parker set it all up. Yes, it was clearly an MTV-style movie, with slash cuts all over the place. But it still pretty much died at the box office, despite huge amounts of hype and PR.

Object lesson, folks, one you should bear in mind with the pending release of POTO. Just my o.o2. YMMV.
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