Nominess Announced for 2007 Broadway.com Audience Awards: Spring Awakening- Page 4

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:15pm

Would GREY GARDENS last without Ebersole is a different question than would it still work without Ebersole.

I think Maureen Moore has proved it can work without her.

How many times do you think some of those people voted for themselves?
Updated On: 5/11/07 at 10:15 PM

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:30pm

in response to jg4892:

the SA cast is very young, and even though they have have some experience in the biz, it's not nearly as remarkable as people like Michael Berresse in ACL, or Charlotte D'Amboisse. yah, they work hard, but they have NOWHERE near the amount of talent or experience as other casts, like in Fame Becomes Me, ACL, Mary Poppins, Grey Gardens, etc.
SA doesn't deserve that much praise - sure it's good, but not THAT good.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:31pm

I know two girls who are running some sort of Facebook Spring Awakening fan club, and they called upon all of their members to use the e-mail addresses of parents and friends, and even make up new addresses so that the SA actors will have have nominations. Yikes.

But I won't complain TOO much because Aaron Lazar got his nomination

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:33pm

Maureen McGovern?

[Mattbrain]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:38pm

I agree. I put in quite a few votes for Spring Awakening (because I think it is a work of artistic merit...and because Remy Zaken is hot) but that's too many nominations.

[jg4892]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:41pm

LizzyA- you say it's not that good. Have you actually SEEN the show? Hate to break it to you but no one cares how long you have been in the bix. If it's a hot show, it's a hot show. People aren't going to wait till the actors are pushing 40 to give them recognition.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:44pm

jg: What does it being a hot show have to do with anything?

[sweeneynut]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:46pm

*ahem*

Yay for Celia nom!

*crawls back into hole to watch debate*

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:47pm

jg4892, did you not just read the post where AnnaK mentioned Spring Awakening fans used fraud to monopolize the nominations?

SA doesn't deserve that much praise - sure it's good, but not THAT good.

She's right. It doesn't deserve that much praise and isn't good enough to overrun the categories if they can't do it fairly.

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[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:57pm

When Remy Zaken, who barely has anything to do, is getting a nod just becasue of some insane Spring Awakening fans, you know it has crossed the line. Just because the people in Spring Awakening aren't vets, doesn't mean they don't work hard at what they do.Also, it doesn't mean they aren't good performers. Anna, that is just wrong. I feel bad complaining about a fan base that I help run but, I'm a little agitated right now. I know these are just audience awards but look back at the past nominations and winners of these awards. They usually do reflect the actual awards. Now they get messed up because of a certain fan base.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:58pm

Lizzy, I agree that Spring Awakening is not that good. At all. But those kids work very very hard, and SA is in fact much more than a show with a nude scene. I am all about the other people you mentioned, but the actors do work hard and many have had loads of experience.

[jg4892]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 10:59pm

I was referring to the fact that Lizzya said they didn't deserve it just because they were young, not the actual nominations themselves. I was saying that they shouldn't have to wait till they're 40 to get recognition just because other people have been in the business longer. Look, I think a lot of these nominations are ridiculous (especially the supporting actor and actress category) but I don't think people should go blaming the show for its success and saying they don't like it anymore.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:09pm

Why do people keep making up excuses to attack Lizzya9? Regardless of what she's said in the past, all her posts in this thread have been spot-on. She's not the only one objecting to the SA favoritism, but I guess she's the easiest target to pick on when you don't like that your favorite show- and fellow fans- are being criticized.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:11pm

I wasn't trying to pick on her. I just don't understand her point on the actors themselves. I agree that most (actually, sorry, all) of them didn't really deserve nominations compared to other nominees, but I'm just misunderstanding the working hard part and such.

Becoz - I think it's wrong too. Let's just be happy the Tony Awards are not made up of audience votes.

[jg4892]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:17pm

Orangeskittles- and just because we disagree with YOUR opinion doesn't mean we're picking on her to be mean. She said something that I disagreed with and I told her. I wasn't picking on her, I was telling her my opinion.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:19pm

Anna: I don't think Skittles was talking about you.

And Skittles: I think people are picking on Lizzy because she has said a lot of things about SA, notably stating that she hated the show because of Lea Michele's "conduct" on a podcast.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:20pm

and just because we disagree with YOUR opinion doesn't mean we're picking on her to be mean.
And what opinion would that be? I've yet to give any concrete opinions in this thread, other than commenting that Lea Michele shouldn't be eligible for a "breakthrough performance."

Anna, I was referring to theaterdude and now jg4892.

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[jg4892]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:21pm

And for the record, lizzy was the only person who commented on the talent and age issue. Who should I direct my comments to being that no one else said anything about that?

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:22pm

I know Lizzya9 and I have not had good history together but jg was just disagreeing with something she said. I too disagree with it. Paul McGill in A Chorus Line is 18(maybe 19 now) none then less, he is still younger than some of the Spring Awakening cast. As are a few other performers in A Chorus Line. Lizzy, I know you like ACL so, do you have equal thoughts on younger performers in ACL and Spring Awakening?


Updated On: 5/11/07 at 11:22 PM

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:27pm

I think people are picking on Lizzy because she has said a lot of things about SA, notably stating that she hated the show because of Lea Michele's "conduct" on a podcast.

Exactly my point. She said nothing about it in this thread, but they're picking apart her posts to find something to object to because of her past behavior, not because of what she said in this thread. To allude to what jg4892 said earlier in this thread, people need to learn to separate their biased opinions about posters and the actual content of the posts they're attacking.

She didn't say "old=talented"; you're putting words in her mouth. She said the other casts were had more talent and experience. And she's right. Debra Monk deserves a nomination over Remy Zeken not because she's old, but because Remy didn't deserve the nomination in the first place.

Updated On: 5/11/07 at 11:27 PM

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:28pm

Oh, I agree skittles. I and I do agree that she has been (mostly) spot on.

[BSoBW2]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:33pm

Well, I don't totally agree with her about the young vs. old debate.

But there is a definite difference in maturity on stage. It's one thing to create a character on stage, another to execute said creation. Something that comes with experience on stage.

Someone in A CHORUS LINE has much more material to work with. Perhaps it is the experience and material, but McGill comes off much more mature on stage than, say, Remy whatshername, even though both actors are playing young characters (though Remy's is much younger). An actor can appear mature on stage (seasoned, even) and still portray a young character...like Dakota Fanning.

But it is just frustrating to see someone like her even considered for any sort of "award." I mean - she sings just about nothing (at least Cooper has a song) and she isn't amazing (nor should she be).

Well, I guess it is better to snub Donna Murphy from winning a Broadway.com award than doing drugs in an abandoned parking lot. If only I knew then what I know now...

Updated On: 5/11/07 at 11:33 PM

[theaterdude87]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:35pm

But at the same point she basically has hated SA since the first day it opened. If you feel that upset about the noms I would email Broadway.com and voice your opinions. And while I agree with most of the nominations, I do see your point with a character like Remy has in SA.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:36pm

Well, I guess it is better to snub Donna Murphy from winning a Broadway.com award than doing drugs in an abandoned parking lot. If only I knew then what I know now...


Heh!

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/11/07 at 11:36pm

Why would we email Broadway.com? What would they do?