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#926

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

degrassifan said: "joevitus said: “I'm curious where you get yourinfo from. I'm not challenging you, but I mostly know the story of the show's construction fromSondheim and Co., where Laurents says Krupke was put after the rumble because Robbins and Bernstien hadn't wanted any comedy in the show to begin with and could only be persuaded to do it by Laurents referencingShakespeare's clowns. Even then, they insisted it be insertedas an emotional release following the death of Riff--and Laurents even says ultimately he thought they wereright because, coming early in the movie, the song only came across asa silly number.

I certainly don't think Laurents was the soul of trustworthy info, but I'm interested in who gave an alternative version of the song's placement, as well as the striking of the Sharks from "America."
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There are multiple sources that talk about it, but here’s a website that detailsall three numbers and their changes —

Cool vs Gee Officer Krupe and America
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Thank you!

#928

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

David Newman's arrangements for "The Mambo" and "America" sounds amazing and I'll bet it will sound GLORIOUS on the big screen with a great sound system. Alongside the music, the numbers are going to be great and it also confirms that "America" is going to be opened up big time in comparison to the original film.

Justin Peck's choreography looks incredible on film and I'm happy it was a talented person like him who got hired.

#931

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Musical Master said: "David Newman's arrangements for "The Mambo" and "America" sounds amazing and I'll bet it will sound GLORIOUS on the big screen with a great sound system. Alongside the music, the numbers are going to be great and it also confirms that "America" is going to be opened up big time in comparison to the original film.

Justin Peck's choreography looks incredible on film and I'm happy it was a talented person like him who got hired.
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How I wish I agreed. Hate the arrangements. Not crazy about the revised dialogue, either. Just gotta wait and take in the whole picture, but I have the distinct feeling I'm not going to like it. *sigh*

#936

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Yeah the gym scene is where that's very apparent and everywhere, but thankfully unlike JJ Abrams who I swear brightens the lens flares to an overwhelming, ludicrous amount; at least here it's only just slightly in the way some of the time. I think it kind of works in the moment where Maria and Tony first meet and talk for this first time, here I think it might be used to give the cinematography a sense of color and fantasy.

#937

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Tag said: "Yes lens flare (sorry autocorrect).
Literally right over DeBose's face in the opening shot.
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Oh, is that what that effect is called? Yeah, I noticed that too. It is very annoying and distracting.

#938

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Kind of loving the lens flares. They make the happier scenes (Tony and Maria meeting) look more dream like and fantastical, while giving the darker parts of the trailer (especially the amazing shot of Tony and Riff wrestling over the gun) a more foreboding feel. I'm all in.
#939

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Musical Master said:
"I'm glad that from the looks of things, Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner has restored these two songs back to where they were before."

Are you sure? I don't see any evidence of this to be true.

#940

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Musical Master said: "So, any word on a possible release date for the soundtrack? Or is it still up in the air?"

Earlier in this thread someone posted that the soundtrack's release date is December 10th, same as the film. I've done a search and found no evidence of this myself.

Hollywood Records (the Disney owned record imprint) will be releasing the soundtrack and they do not have anything up on their official website at all.

#942

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

SpiritualGangster said: "Hollywood Records(the Disney owned record imprint) will be releasing the soundtrack and they do nothave anything up on their official website at all."

Based on previous films like this, we should expect the soundtrack December 3 or 10 and their website is more as-it-happens than in-advance as far as listing releases goes.

#943

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

SpiritualGangster said: "Musical Master said:
"I'm glad that from the looks of things, Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner has restored these two songs back to where they were before."

Are you sure? I don't see any evidence of this to be true."


Many articles have said that this version is going to be a lot closer to the original stage version than the 1961 film. Yes, thinking that it's going to be faithful by reverting those two songs back to their original placements is an assumption, but it's a good guess on my part.

Once the soundtrack is announced it's release date and tracklist we'll know.

#944

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Btw someone in this thread mentioned they were nervous cause of how the arrangements of the songs sounded in the trailer.

Something I've learned about musical theatre film trailers is they get these tracks that are close to the original but sound more "trailer epic" you can definitely hear it in the Into the Woods trailer with this big epic instrumentation for Stay with Me that was nowhere to be found in the film. The arrangements of that movie as we all know were incredibly faithful.

I think in reality especially with someone like David Newman on board who's an old school guy, the score is most likely going to be preserved in all its Bernstein orchestrated glory.

I mean it's possible I could be wrong but "America" for instance didn't even have the full chord progression it usually does so I just assumed it's an "America for a trailer track"

#945

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

rattleNwoolypenguin said: "Btw someone in this thread mentioned they were nervous cause of how the arrangements of the songs sounded in the trailer.

Something I've learned about musical theatre film trailers is they get these tracks that are close to the original but sound more "trailer epic" you can definitely hear it in the Into the Woods trailer with this big epic instrumentation for Stay with Me that was nowhere to be found in the film. The arrangements of that movie as we all know were incredibly faithful.

I think in reality especially with someone like David Newman on board who's an old school guy, the score is most likely going to be preserved in all its Bernstein orchestrated glory.

I mean it's possible I could be wrong but "America" for instance didn't even have the full chord progression it usually does so I just assumed it's an "America for a trailer track"
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That's a good point, I did wonder why they didn't do the surprise "Life is alright in America, if you're all white in America" for the TV Spot (surprise for new viewers I guess?). I do remember the Into The Woods TV Spots did use different arrangements here and there, so you're right, the marketing team is using an "epic" version of "America".

#946

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Musical Master said: "SpiritualGangster said: "Musical Master said:
"I'm glad that from the looks of things, Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner has restored these two songs back to where they were before."

Are you sure? I don't see any evidence of this to be true."


Many articles have said that this version is going to be a lot closer to the original stage version than the 1961 film. Yes, thinking that it's going to be faithful by reverting those two songs back to their original placements is an assumption, but it's a good guess on my part.

Once the soundtrack is announced it's release date and tracklist we'll know.
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They said this version will be closer, but we've already seen them doing the movie's version of America, so I think it's still fairly up in the air. Also, recent comments have seemingly indicated we'll see song placements that are unique to this film rather than either the stage show or previous cinematic adaption.


“Somebody stop me before I sing again” - Bazzard
#950

Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread

Hi all! I attended a WSS virtual discussion with Tony Kushner as the guest speaker, and this is some info I got --

After "Lincoln," Spielberg invited Kushner to lunch and asked him to write WSS. At first Kushner was like "Wow, this guy is crazy," but then after hearing his vision and knowing it's a new adaptation of the stage show, he was onboard.

As confirmed earlier, the story is set around the time when San Juan Hill was in the process of being demolished in order to build Lincoln Center and how that affected the Puerto Rican community.

The filmmakers did everything they could to make the story authentic, even down to the specific way that Puerto Ricans make their coffee (which was eventually cut from the script). They even realized that the way today's Puerto Ricans would phrase things is different from how Puerto Ricans in 1957 would say something. Some cast members and crew members would even call up their grandmothers to confirm how certain things were said back in their day.

There is a lot of Spanish spoken in the film, without subtitles.

Kushner wrote lengthy biographies of every character so that the actors could use them to dive deeper with their characters. The lengthiest one was for Valentina (Rita Moreno), the widow of the Jewish drug store owner. Hers was interesting because Valentina is around the same age as Rita, so her biography included what her life was like in Puerto Rico before the 20th century and how she wound up in this NY drugstore in 1957. Kushner is not sure if the actors used the biographies in their performances except for David Alvarez and Rachel Zegler. Alvarez and Zegler asked "Where did our parents come from?" and things of that nature, and the moderator said you could see in their performances of their brother/sister relationship that they used the bios.

The Jets in the new film are white teens whose parents are from immigrant groups that had come to the US and had mostly moved up the ladder, while the Jets and their parents are people that were left behind and didn't make it and were disorganized in various ways. They are street rats, violent, and racist. The Sharks have come together to protect their community from the Jets.

Kushner felt that the creators of the show (Sondheim, Laurents, Bernstein, Robbins) tried to maintain the balance seen in Romeo & Juliet with the Montagues vs Capulets, but they kept getting thrown by it because they were progressive and knew racism and xenophobia were wrong, so their sympathies were more with the Sharks, however, there were places in the show where they made mistakes and tried to maintain the balance of having good people on both sides, but the fundamental truth of WSS is racism is wrong. The Jets are clearly racist in the original and the Sharks aren't, even though they seem to share some common ground; therefore, in this new version, the prologue is very different and you know clearly whose side you're on almost immediately.

According to the moderator, it's a long film that covers a lot, but it doesn't seem long.

The new movie is closer to the original Broadway show. Kushner grew up with the original cast album and didn't see the 1961 film until college, so when writing this movie he went back to the 1957 source. He thought the order of the songs in the Broadway show was more interesting and daring. For instance, he liked how in the show, Maria sings "I Feel Pretty" at the top of Act Two and she doesn't know but the audience knows that her life is basically over. It's poignant that she goes from the heights of joy to the depths of despair. It's safe to say "I Feel Pretty" will be after the rumble in this version. No word on "Cool" or "Krupke," but I'm leaning more on their stage placements.

In terms of "America," the new version will be a hybrid of the 1957 lyrics (primarily Rosalia's part in the introduction of the song, and some lines not used in the 1961 film like "Nobody knows in America Puerto Rico's in America."Steven Spielberg's WEST SIDE STORY - News & Discussion Thread ) and the 1961 lyrics with the argument between the men vs the women.

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