Tammy Faye closing on December 8!- Page 4

[SeanD2]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:41am

seaweedjstubbs said: "MadsonMelo said: "Back when ''KPOP'' closed I tried to get all the 2000's musicals that closed ''early'' and that was the Top 15 I found:

1. Glory Days 1P
2. The Story of My Life 5P
3. High Fidelity 14P
4. KPOP 17P / Amour 17P
5. Leap of Faith 19P
6. All About Me 20P
7. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer 21P
8. Doctor Zhivago 23P
9. Hands on a Hardbody 28P / The Times They Are a-Changin' 28P
10. Scandalous 29P / Tammy Faye 29P
11. Lysistrata Jones 30P
12. Wonderland 33P
13. Diana 34P
14. Flying Over Sunset 35P
15. Bonnie & Clyde 36P

Don't know if all of them are musicals, but I guess they are."

I wish I could show this list to everyone on social media acting like shows closing early is this brand new thing. Lots of “the sky is falling” rhetoric being tossed around when Broadway has always had a number of super early closings almost every season."

Part of the problem with theater fans who post on social media when it comes to the sky is falling takes is that they disproportionately "stan" flops because it's the flops that 1) have the cheapest tickets so they can afford to see them multiple times 2) comping the influencers in an attempt to turn things around who then praise the show in order to keep getting comps.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 12:41pm

Whatever you two are even arguing about,  I guarantee Tammy Faye isn't worth the effort.

[broadwaybaybee22]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 8:25pm

Which award is more prestigious...a Tony Award or an Olivier Award? 

The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more. The Tonys are like going into Nieman Marcus and buying a gorgeous high end designer bag.

The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of a similar looking bag. They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand.

It seems the bar is set way lower for The Olivier Awards. This is why some mediocre West End Productions get nominated in the first place.  This would never happen with the Tony Awards Nomination Committee.  

Sorry if this is offensive to our theater going friends. in the UK. It's just an observation I've made especially as a theater goer. It's always seemed odd to me that they can win Awards in UK but tend to not be as warmly welcomed here in the US.  

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 8:40pm

broadwaybaybee22 said: "Which award is more prestigious...a Tony Award or an Olivier Award?

The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more. The Tonys are like going into Nieman Marcus and buying a gorgeous high end designerbag.

The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of a similar looking bag. They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand.

It seems the bar is set way lower for The Olivier Awards. This is why some mediocre West End Productions get nominated in the first place. This would never happen with the Tony Awards Nomination Committee.

Sorry if this is offensive to our theater going friends. in the UK. It's just an observation I've made especially as a theater goer. It's always seemed odd to me that they can win Awards in UK but tend to not be as warmly welcomed here in the US."

While I agree with your overall sentiment, I think you undervalue the quality of many Olivier Award winners and suggest a degree of purity and quality for the Tonys that would not always past muster.

 

[Det95]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 12:38pm

JasonC3 said: "broadwaybaybee22 said: "Which award is more prestigious...a Tony Award or an Olivier Award?

The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more. The Tonys are like going into Nieman Marcus and buying a gorgeous high end designerbag.

The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of a similar looking bag. They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand.

It seems the bar is set way lower for The Olivier Awards. This is why some mediocre West End Productions get nominated in the first place. This would never happen with the Tony Awards Nomination Committee.

Sorry if this is offensive to our theater going friends. in the UK. It's just an observation I've made especially as a theater goer. It's always seemed odd to me that they can win Awards in UK but tend to not be as warmly welcomed here in the US."

While I agree with your overall sentiment, I think you undervalue the quality of many Olivier Award winners and suggest a degree of purity and quality for the Tonys that would not always past muster.

"

Sweeney Todd sound design anyone?

[BoringBoredBoard40]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 2:25pm

The pricing is surprisingly still bad for the last few weeks

 

[broadwaybaybee22]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 4:19pm

BoringBoredBoard40 said: "The pricing is surprisingly still bad for the last few weeks


Yesterday on Channel 5 Fox in NY 10PM News was outside the Palace 30min before showtime of Tammy Faye and the place was deserted. It's sad the theater is mostly empty and all the poor performers are working so hard for a skeleton crew of an audience. There are probably more theater people and workers than those sitting in the audience.  
"

 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 4:33pm

May I ask a Question about the Palace? What exactly was the point of still giving the Palace GIANT signage when it and the entrance are on 47th Street and you can't even see it fully unless you're looking out of a window from across the street? 

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 4:40pm

Judging by the concept art - to be consistent in look and purpose of the giant screens around the corner. It’s another platform for them to livestream the concerts (as well as ads of course) happening where the old marquee used to be - Charli XCX recently did a four or five song set and all the TSX screens were of her performance and visuals. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 5:06pm

But like... the reason it was so big when the entrance was where the TSX stage is now was to serve as advertising in Times Square. I just don't think it looks flattering and it is in fact broken up and not a continued surface from the TSX stage around the corner. 

Everything about Palace Theatre now feels like changes that they had to make because they couldn't just knock the theatre down, not as something that is doing a service to the theatre directly. An afterthought. 

[JasonC3]

Posted: 11/21/24 at 6:29pm

I had forgotten the mix of UK theatreboard responses to the Almeida production:

 

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️       41 votes (37.27%)

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️          43 votes (39.09%)

⭐️⭐️⭐️             21 votes (19.09%)

⭐️⭐️                  2 votes (1.82%)

⭐️

[lilpunkin]

Posted: 11/23/24 at 7:21am

JasonC3 said: "Jarethan said: "One thing I have never been clear on. I know this received 4 Olivier nominations and won 1, but a decent number of real dogs have been nominated for Tony awards and have occasionally won some. Was this a hit in London. I know that it played in the tiny Almeida theatre, but did it move to the West End? I can see that it is no longer running in the West End, so it could not have been much. I have to admit that I don't regret leaving after Act 1 at the first preview."

It has been suggested (both here and on the UK board) that a transfer was in the works but when the lead got pregnant that plan was shelved."

If this is interesting to anyone, TF was originally due to debut at the Gillian Lynne Theatre and they had a contract signed to do a six month run there. When Rupert Goold was hired to direct, he requested that they add a pre-West End try-out at the Almeida first to test the material, and also because he wanted it for his own theatre. When Katie got pregnant they had to activate whatever clause was in their GL contract to postpone the WE run.

[broadwaybaybee22]

Posted: 11/23/24 at 11:14am

lilpunkin said: "JasonC3 said: "Jarethan said: "One thing I have never been clear on. I know this received 4 Olivier nominations and won 1, but a decent number of real dogs have been nominated for Tony awards and have occasionally won some. Was this a hit in London. I know that it played in the tiny Almeida theatre, but did it move to the West End? I can see that it is no longer running in the West End, so it could not have been much. I have to admit that I don't regret leaving after Act 1 at the first preview."

It has been suggested (both here and on the UK board) that a transfer was in the works but when the lead got pregnant that plan was shelved."

If this is interesting to anyone, TF was originally due to debut at the Gillian Lynne Theatre and they had a contract signed to do a six month run there.When Rupert Goold was hired to direct, he requested that they add a pre-West End try-out at the Almeida first to test the material, and also because he wanted it for his own theatre. When Katie got pregnant they had to activate whatever clause was in their GL contract to postpone the WE run."

A $25 million dollar mistake.  They should have just transferred to the Gillian Lynne Theater after Katie had her baby.  They would have had time to retool and do rewrites/music/ casting changes etc. Rather than using a few weeks of previews to try to make drastic changes.  The poor cast worked so hard trying to fix the production.  Six to seven hours a day of rehearsals in addition to a 2 1/2 hour production nightly to a mostly empty theater . How depressing.  I'm not sure how these poor performers did it!  

It would have saved them a fortune and helped determine if this musical would have been worth transferring to Broadway. With that extra time they could have done marketing research and found out specifically if this subject matter was of interest to American Broadway theater goers. It's really a shame. 

Updated On: 11/23/24 at 11:14 AM

[lilpunkin]

Posted: 11/23/24 at 2:20pm

I completely agree with you, but by the time Katie was ready to return the Gillian Lynne simply wasn’t available anymore. GL’s priority was finding a long runner, and they assumed Sky’s Edge (which they contracted to fill the hole left by TF’s force majeure) would run for at least a couple of years. By the time GL realised that Sky was underperforming and decided to end that run early, TM had already signed the Palace deal.

 

I assume the team would have jumped at the chance to do West End first but it just wasn’t an option.