Tammy Faye closing on December 8!- Page 3

[AKarp2013]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:13pm

Elton John has kept Lestat all to himself but what are the odds of a cast recording?

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:28pm

rg7759 said: "BrodyFosse123 said: "rg7759 said: "Don't forget this didn't just lose 1 main star...but both if you include that Kristin chenoweth was originally intended for the part"

Chenoweth was attached to a completely different production. She was attached to one with Henry Krieger as the composer and an Australian playwright."

You can complain all you want, but I said nothing about production, I said intended for the part."

This is... quite the stupid statement isn't it? Then who is the 'They' you were referring to? Just take the L because you've embarrassed yourself enough with this post. 

[seaweedjstubbs]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:30pm

MadsonMelo said: "Back when ''KPOP'' closed I tried to get all the 2000's musicals that closed ''early'' and that was the Top 15 I found:

1. Glory Days 1P
2. The Story of My Life 5P
3. High Fidelity 14P
4. KPOP 17P / Amour 17P
5. Leap of Faith 19P
6. All About Me 20P
7. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer 21P
8. Doctor Zhivago 23P
9. Hands on a Hardbody 28P / The Times They Are a-Changin' 28P
10. Scandalous 29P / Tammy Faye 29P
11. Lysistrata Jones 30P
12. Wonderland 33P
13. Diana 34P
14. Flying Over Sunset 35P
15. Bonnie & Clyde 36P

Don't know if all of them are musicals, but I guess they are."

I wish I could show this list to everyone on social media acting like shows closing early is this brand new thing. Lots of “the sky is falling” rhetoric being tossed around when Broadway has always had a number of super early closings almost every season.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:32pm

AKarp2013 said: "Elton John has keptLestatall to himself but what are the odds of a cast recording?"

If there is any wish for it to be licensed, it must have a recording.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:34pm

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "AKarp2013 said: "Elton John has keptLestatall to himself but what are the odds of a cast recording?"

If there is any wish for it to be licensed, itmusthave a recording."

I mean... let's ask the audience, who are you gonna license it to? Who would want it?

[JSquared2]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:42pm

TheatreFan4 said: "ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "AKarp2013 said: "Elton John has keptLestatall to himself but what are the odds of a cast recording?"

If there is any wish for it to be licensed, itmusthave a recording."

I mean... let's ask the audience, who are you gonna license it to? Who would want it?"


Well there’s all of those theatres that will want to do it in rep with SCANDALOUS! 

[EDSOSLO858]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:45pm

seaweedjstubbs said: "MadsonMelo said: "Back when ''KPOP'' closed I tried to get all the 2000's musicals that closed ''early'' and that was the Top 15 I found:

1. Glory Days 1P
2. The Story of My Life 5P
3. High Fidelity 14P
4. KPOP 17P / Amour 17P
5. Leap of Faith 19P
6. All About Me 20P
7. The Adventures of Tom Sawyer 21P
8. Doctor Zhivago 23P
9. Hands on a Hardbody 28P / The Times They Are a-Changin' 28P
10. Scandalous 29P / Tammy Faye 29P
11. Lysistrata Jones 30P
12. Wonderland 33P
13. Diana 34P
14. Flying Over Sunset 35P
15. Bonnie & Clyde 36P

Don't know if all of them are musicals, but I guess they are."

I wish I could show this list to everyone on social media acting like shows closing early is this brand new thing. Lots of “the sky is falling” rhetoric being tossed around when Broadway has always had a number of super early closings almost every season."

Well, to be fair, a LOT of new musicals coming out of the shutdown have been closing within just a few weeks. 

[Voter]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 10:56pm

@quizking101 that wikipedia page is fascinating. so many shows ive never even heard of. I was going to say Leap of Faith might be the shortest running musical to ever receive a nomination for Best Musical at the Tony's, but it's actually in third place. Rags has the shortest run of any Best Musical nominee with only 22 performances in total (18 previews and 4 performances). It's followed by Amour. 

[Voter]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:01pm

Sorry for double post, but why all the Groundhog Day hate here. That was an actually good musical that just failed to find an audience here, not this crap show.

[ivy3]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:11pm

MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "Michael Cerveris says "there will be plenty to see later. All that matters is you have until December 8 to see us."

Ummm what moreis there to say? It's one of the most misguided business decisions in recent Bway memory. "

A performer's take could be quite different from the business aspect of things. I personally got a feeling that he believed in this show and it is his right to be sad and disappointed about its closing. 

 Jarethan said: "One thing I have never been clear on. I know this received 4 Olivier nominations and won 1, but a decent number of real dogs have been nominated for Tony awards and have occasionally won some. Was this a hit in London. "

It won 2. One for Katie Brayben and one for Zubin Varla who played Jerry Falwell (currently played by Michael Cerveris). Andrew Rannells was also nominated as well as the show being nominated for Best musical. By all accounts it was well received and clearly considered good enough to win awards. I don't think the creatives and producers ever thought it wouldn't be well received here. 
 

Updated On: 11/19/24 at 11:11 PM

[Voter]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:29pm

Back to the Future won best musical in London. There's a low bar for musicals in the West End these days. Yes, there's phenomenal musicals too, but there's a lot of bad ones that do well there.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:40pm

Voter said: "Sorry for double post, but why all the Groundhog Day hate here. That was an actually good musical that just failed to find an audience here, not this crap show."

I'm not sure anyone was hating on Groundhog Day, it was actually one of my favorite musicals of the last 10 years. It was just being brought up in the context of a shows that closed early.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:49pm

TheatreFan4 said: "ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "AKarp2013 said: "Elton John has keptLestatall to himself but what are the odds of a cast recording?"

If there is any wish for it to be licensed, itmusthave a recording."

I mean... let's ask the audience, who are you gonna license it to? Who would want it?"
 

There are plenty of Broadway flops (good & bad) that have caught on in licensing. People produce ALICE BY HEART, HEAD OVER HEELS, ALL SHOOK UP, BIG FISH, BRIGHT STAR...etc.

The regions are not Broadway. "Elton John musical with Christian-ish themes" is something that could appeal to community & regional theatres.

The shows that don't get licensed and are lost to time are the ones that don't have a cast album.

I'm not implying there's any prayer of them making back $25 million via licensing. But licensing could offer a path to making back 20% to 50% over the next two decades. Which isn't nothing.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 11/19/24 at 11:53pm

Voter said: "Sorry for double post, but why all the Groundhog Day hate here. That was an actually good musical that just failed to find an audience here, not this crap show."

“Groundhog Day”, (in my opinion) is one of the ten best musicals so far this century. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 12:37am

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "There are plenty of Broadway flops (good & bad)that have caught on in licensing. People produceALICE BY HEART, HEAD OVER HEELS, ALL SHOOK UP, BIG FISH, BRIGHT STAR...etc."

Alice By Heart never even made it to Broadway. I think SH*T. MEET. FAN. which is currently playing in the same Off-Broadway theater is in a similar boat. They're both shows on paper seemed likely to make it to Broadway. Then audiences actually saw them. 

[broadwaybaybee22]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 1:03am

RIP Elton John's Tammy Faye Musical

Goodbye, Tammy Faye

Though I didn't know you at all

you had the grace to hold yourself

while those around you crawled

 

 

[MezzoDiva47]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 3:03am

MadsonMelo said: "Back when ''KPOP'' closed I tried to get all the 2000's musicals that closed ''early'' and that was the Top 15 I found:

1. Glory Days 1P
2. The Story of My Life 5P

 

the story of my life was the epitome of a vanity project

it had no business being on broadway

but if you have enough rich friends and producers your subpar quality show can still make it to broadway

and I believe the title of glory days could have been changed to second mortgage investors

 

 

[Julie Yard]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 7:31am

Let's hear it for Carrie on Broadway in 1988. It's didn't make the list posted and Betty Buckley played the mom. 

From Wikipedia - The show received mostly negative reviews and closed after 16 previews and five regular performances in Broadway. 

I didn't hate it, but I didn't see a lot of stuff then. 

[rg7759]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 9:23am

TheatreFan4 said: "rg7759 said: "BrodyFosse123 said: "rg7759 said: "Don't forget this didn't just lose 1 main star...but both if you include that Kristin chenoweth was originally intended for the part"

Chenoweth was attached to a completely different production. She was attached to one with Henry Krieger as the composer and an Australian playwright."

You can complain all you want, but I said nothing about production, I said intended for the part."

This is... quite the stupid statement isn't it? Then who is the 'They' you were referring to? Just take the L because you've embarrassed yourself enough with this post."

Calling someone stupid and also misquoting them. Unbelievable 

[Owen22]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 9:57am

songanddanceman2 said: "Something has obviously gone horribly wrong between London and Broadway. I do think one of the biggest downfalls in this transfer that the producers didn't seem to take in to account is that America is a much much much more religious country than the UK, and people lost money to Tammy and her husband and all those alike.



Here in the UK we find the idea of TV evangelism hilarious, the whole thing is bonkers, so the show has clearly leaned in to that approach, the way UK audiences see this subject matter.



It's also interesting that Enron, American Psycho and Tammy Faye are all critical of American greed culture, maybe Americans just don't want to be reminded of that."

This is just so much b.s.. The show was not good at the Almeida and it was not good at the Palace. Maybe these shows don't appeal to America audiences because Brit writers instinctively do not understand these American subjects they're writing about and make suppositions that are just not coherent or correct.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:07am

rg7759 said: "
Calling someone stupid and also misquoting them. Unbelievable"

Cant believe I said "They" and not "This". Surely this has ruined my credibility, you don't look stupid at all anymore! Do you teach a university class? Could I take it next semester? 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:26am

Julie Yard said: "Let's hear it for Carrie on Broadway in 1988. It's didn't make the list posted and Betty Buckley played the mom.

From Wikipedia -The show received mostly negative reviews and closed after 16 previews and five regular performances in Broadway.

I didn't hate it, but I didn't see a lot of stuff then."

Now decades later, we finally learned what truly happened with CARRIE. I saw the show during previews and can attest that it was a sold-out house AND the audiences were digging it - the campy aspects of the mean teens and most notably, the glorious dramatic aspects of the mother/daughter moments which balanced everything out. The immediate standing ovation at the curtain call was fully merited. Turns out that sales were pretty good and word-of-mouth (for the good/bad of the show) were indeed strong and the show could have had a longer run. Unfortunately, the novice German producer panicked over the critic reviews and 2 days after the show opened he disappeared, closing up his NY offices and all his bank accounts connected to the show. The entire production was told on Friday night the show wasn’t planning on closing and after the Saturday matinee the next day they learned the show was closing the next day (Sunday). The creative team and everyone associated with the show was side-swiped as it came out of nowhere - the German producer never once hinted on what he was planning on doing: disappearing. 

[OuttaTowner]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:28am

I’m guessing that if the rumors of a Ragtime transfer are true, they could easily load in before the Tony nom deadline. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:34am

OuttaTowner said: "I’m guessing that if the rumors of a Ragtime transfer are true, they could easily load in before the Tony nom deadline."

And I'll say again, if they think that's going to fill the Palace, they deserve to lose the money. Moving glorified concert productions to Broadway with virtually no effort to build it out into an actual production is embarassing.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/20/24 at 10:34am

OuttaTowner said: "I’m guessing that if the rumors of a Ragtime transfer are true, they could easily load in before the Tony nom deadline."

The deadline isn't until the end of April. Multiple shows have time to load in, open, and close by then.