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#176

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Carrie: if you weren't aware (and why should you be?), I'm a little fixated on the Histories Ensemble. You wouldn't happen to have heard any gossip regarding any of them, would you? Congratulations for holding up! I'm saving your blog for a quiet period at work tomorrow, and am looking forward to the read. :3

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#177

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I think this year and last year it was done as a: look at us we're giving the choreography award to plays, because we're the Olivier Awards.

What was specifically choreographed in War Horse and Black Watch? I just find it strange that the dance heavy shows like Hairspray and La Cage, the powerful choreohraphy of Parade and the fully dances through Into the Hoods, didn't shine through.
#178

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Alas, I don't have much in my memory banks of Black Watch at this time (late night last night, brain functions limited XD), but if you check out the puppets used in War Horse, that should begin to clear things up. Joey and Topthorn each had three puppeteers who were *constantly* moving to bring life to the horses; even when standing still, there was simulated breathing, ears flickering, tails whisking, and that's just the horse puppetry. It's an intensely physical show, with the cast needing to work ridiculously well with each other, with every little move carefully plotted. I should probably stop saying "massive disservice" so much, but before I do, I'd just like to say you'd be doing the cast of War Horse a massive disservice saying they only received the choreeography award because SOLT fancied being "edgy" or whatever. ;D

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#179

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"Joey and Topthorn each had three puppeteers who were *constantly* moving to bring life to the horses; even when standing still, there was simulated breathing, ears flickering, tails whisking, and that's just the horse puppetry."

I've seen no description of choreography. It isn't just me going "oh well they're not doing movement to music, which included 3high kicks, a pirouette, 3hand gestures and and barrel leap". As a dancer, I know the choreography is so much more, however i feel that after everything that has been said about War Horse, it's the mechanics and puppetry of the show that garnered so much attention and praise. And in this day and age of inovative theatre, which includeds mechanics (elctric and manual) and puppetry, why top award comittees haven't cattered for them and realised maybe a shake up of the categories is in order.

People may argue that War Horse was choreographed or staged, which is why it fits into that category, but i feel it belongs in another category yet to have been formed. After all i'm not denying that they worked flat out and deserved awards, i just don't regard physical theatre as choreography, i think it's a whole different art form of its own.
#180

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I thought I'd chime in as a Canadian who saw Black Watch and the original August Osage in NY and agree with Weez that as great as AOC was, Black Watch is the best play and theatrical experience I've ever seen. Hands down. The brilliancy of its choreography was that you barely even noticed it sometimes because it was so fluid with the story and its telling. There were brief moments in just movements within or between scenes that were snippets of modern contemporary dance. (And I'm not even getting to the AMAZING "letter" scene).

Being a dance heavy show doesn't mean it's good choreography and I've been disappointed by a lot of the big musicals (though I'm one of those that also loves Bill T. Jones' choreography in Spring Awakening and LOVED that he won the Tony. If you doubt his work, you should check out his own dance shows).
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#181

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Re food - no! There were chips and rolls, but by the time I got chance to go over and get anything, the greedy hacks who were only doing little bits and pieces had scoffed them all. I am blinkin' starving.

Re the Histories - I didn't really get chance to talk to any of them, but they all seemed lovely. That's not really very exciting, is it?!

#182

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Hey Hubee :)

i have to agree with you when it comes to dance heavy shows not always having brilliant choreougraphy (Fame etc..) but i just feel (especially with War Horse and not so much with Black Watch) they may have turned their noses up at the idea of a danced through musical that involved popular hip hop songs (Into the Hoods).

We've had many a sung through musical and finally along comes a danced through musical. The dance displayed in Into the Hoods was a display of years of development in the dance world. Street dance was never taken seriously, it was always looked down upon, and gradually it's become more and more accepted, hell it's even got it's own IDTA syllabus!

At the end of the day it comes down to the fact there should've been no competition between War Horse and Into the Woods. War Horse should've been in a different category...
#183

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Looks like I didn't miss anything too exciting then!
A few surprises.
'Jersey Boys' was always gonna get it, tho i would have like to see 'Zorro' steal it.
#184

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Hell, it goes back to the patriotic thing; would *you* give an American award to a British show when there's an American show that's also deserving?

LOL Evita/Dreamgirls? Phantom of the Opera/Into the Woods? And a great many Americans are rooting for Billy Elliot this year. While I had more fun at Zorro, I have to admit that technically, Jersey Boys is the stronger show in writing, construction and design. I know it is fun to crap on Americans, but I wonder if everyone would truly be happy if American productions never transferred at all? Was there this much animosity over Caroline, or Change? Will the Australians be treated this way with Priscilla or is it just the Americans?

Sorry, I just get so bummed when I see so much theatre I love all over the world originating from so many places, I tend to leave patriotism behind and prefer to celebrate the show instead (one of the best plays I ever saw was an Australian import at the National...Cloudstreet). I loved Zorro. I wanted it to win. But having seen Jersey Boys, I just knew what the outcome would be. Zorro is delightful, but it still needs work. Sometimes the fun imperfect shows don't win. And in the case of something like Mamma Mia (a British import that took Broadway by storm and hasn't let go) becomes universal and rises above the awards to speak to audiences worldwide.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#186

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hairspray done vey well at the Oliviers (4 Olivers)last year and that is American, I am patriotic but was really pleased that Hairspray big haul of awards, as it is the best show to come over from America.

Sondheim has had terrifiic success at the Oliviers
#187

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Go back to my post and read only from the second paragraph on pls!

In that case, I agree about the Spring Awakening choreography. :-P It was pretty much the only thing I liked about the show and I do think the Tony was justified.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#188

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"I know it is fun to crap on Americans"

I don't think that's what is going on here. There has been much debate on this board about the need for successful and original new musicals in the West End after a very bad year for them (Gone With the Wind, Marguerite, Imagine This) and a win for Zorro would have been seen as sending out a positive message to producers to be brave in producing original works rather than taking safe and easy options.

#190

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I think, they used to be held in December and then changed it to March - so March 1990 was instead of December 1989.
#191

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I don't think that's what is going on here.

It's wasn't as bad as I've seen before, but there was a little. Perhaps a dingleberry.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#193

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Massive apologies if any of the "crapping on America" seems to have come from me. I promise it was the tiredness talking and not my actual brain, for I am generally all about how America gets genuinely awesome new musicals, and we're lucky to get a Zorro once a while, lumbered with Never Forgets, Marguerites, and Broadway transfers (which are awesome sauce, but don't strictly count as new West End shows) in the meantime. Heartily jealous, am I! Also, a lot more awake today than I have been lately. Hopefully I'll be back to having semi-intelligent conversation very soon. :3

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