The Terms of My Surrender--Michael Moore hitting Broadway — Page 3

Liza's Headband said: "hork said: "Liza's Headband said: "hork said: "How is he an opportunist? He's a guy who genuinely cares about people and issues and isn't afraid to be outspoken about his opinions. Henrikegerman is right, he's a national treasure."



And you know this how, exactly?

Because I've seen his movies. Because he got his start making a documentary about hard times in his home town because he cared. Jesus Christ, I've woken the beast.

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And yet refuses to now shoot in, and house his production company, in his home state because he'd rather be privy to the tax breaks/incentives he receives in Los Angeles. A bit hypocritical, no?



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And you know this how, exactly?

California has the highest personal income taxes in the country, 3 times the rate in Michigan. So if Moore's company is saving money, he's paying plenty on what he takes home.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/PIT-2015.png&imgrefurl=https://taxfoundation.org/state-individual-income-tax-rates-and-brackets-2015/&h=741&w=850&tbnid=5hK_uezaZKrQ2M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=182&usg=__sGzpTuV5jHZKJWxRqh2BgnG5NiQ=&vet=10ahUKEwirh-vQmNDTAhXDLmMKHTktC9AQ9QEIJzAA..i&docid=U_9md85SJtrcAM&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwirh-vQmNDTAhXDLmMKHTktC9AQ9QEIJzAA



Uncle Charlie, there is nothing hypocritical about a rich person interviewing the poor or agitating for increased aid to the poor. What is hypocritical is an entire political party subsidizing the rich through tax cuts, while telling the poor they should lift themselves up by their own bootstraps. (Just an example. I have no opinion on the party membership of posters in this thread and didn't even think about it until someone else brought it up.)

GavestonPS said: "Uncle Charlie, there is nothing hypocritical about a rich person interviewing the poor or agitating for increased aid to the poor. What is hypocritical is an entire political party subsidizing the rich through tax cuts, while telling the poor they should lift themselves up by their own bootstraps. (Just an example. I have no opinion on the party membership of posters in this thread and didn't even think about it until someone else brought it up.)



Gaveston, my point, and honestly, I'm not sure how to state it more clearly than I already have is not that I have a problem with him being rich. I don't. And not that I have a problem with a rich person advocating for helping the poor. I think that's great. I have a problem with someone making a great show of talking crap about the sheer audacity of other people being wealthy (who like him have acquired wealth through legitimate means) when he himself is as wealthy as they are. That's hypocritical.

And I don't disagree at all with your point about the Republicans. That offends me as well but again, my point was not that what they do isn't bad or offensive but that Moore uses similar tactics to demonize the groups he has an issue with as they do. I don't like either of them doing it.

UncleCharlie said: "I have a problem with someone making a great show of talking crap about the sheer audacity of other people being wealthy (who like him have acquired wealth through legitimate means) when he himself is as wealthy as they are. That's hypocritical."

Being rich and being in the 1% are very different things.

How about people wait for it to come out before judging it off the bat and saying you're not going?? If it were the next Hamilton you all would be lining up so give me a break.

Wasn't his last movie essentially performance art onstage, though? Not sure I wouldn't count that as theater.

Agreed. Very well put.

henrikegerman said: "Couldn't disagree more with most of you.

Moore is not only one of the smartest, most fearlessly independent political analysts in the country but also one of the funniest and most popular. His understanding of how exactly the current administration came to be is unparalleled, as is his objectivity with respect to American voters's motivations, especially voters in the key states that gave Trump the White House. And his candor is almost uniquely balanced with heartfelt sympathy for the American working class. His is a much needed voice of reason in the wilderness.

He is a national treasure and will have no problem finding an audience.



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Babe_Williams said: "djoko84 said: "How about people wait for it to come out before judging it off the bat and saying you're not going?? If it were the next Hamilton you all would be lining up so give me a break.



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Michael Moore is no Lin Manual Miranda.



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And Lin is no Michael Moore. Moore is an Oscar-winning documentarian with the highest grossing documentary of all time. That still doesn't mean people should judge it before it comes out.

haterobics said: "Wasn't his last movie essentially performance art onstage, though? Not sure I wouldn't count that as theater."

It wasn't even performance art. It was a taping of a one-man show he did in Ohio in October.