Vanessa Williams or Bernardette Peters as the Witch??? — Page 3
#52
Posted: 3/16/05 at 12:18pm
I would love to know the fully story of the firing of Ms. Buckley as well. There are some nasty rumors about booger sugar, but they are simply rumors that I haven't heard confirmed.
Live, I've seen three Witches:
Ms. Rashad (imperious and imposing...I liked her a great deal)
Ms. Foley (sexy, rock 'n roll Witch...really reponded to that)
Ms Williams (beautiful to look at, but was misguided, as was much of the production)
Ms. Peters I've seen numerous times on tape. The funniest of the lot.
Live, I've seen three Witches:
Ms. Rashad (imperious and imposing...I liked her a great deal)
Ms. Foley (sexy, rock 'n roll Witch...really reponded to that)
Ms Williams (beautiful to look at, but was misguided, as was much of the production)
Ms. Peters I've seen numerous times on tape. The funniest of the lot.
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#53
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:00pm
BERNADETTE!!!!
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#54
Out of both Bernadette and Vanessa, I would have to go with Vanessa - I wouldn't say that Vanessa was bland....she just didn't overplay her role, and gave an honest, balanced performance without trying to "steal the show". I really felt that Vanessa's interpretation and relationship with Repunzel was more believeable than other performances of ladies including Bernadette, who have played the Witch. Just my 2 cents. I would also love to know the truth about Ms.Buckley not being involved with Into the Woods. She would have been an incredible Witch.
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:05pm
Out of both Bernadette and Vanessa, I would have to go with Vanessa - I wouldn't say that Vanessa was bland....she just didn't overplay her role, and gave an honest, balanced performance without trying to "steal the show". I really felt that Vanessa's interpretation and relationship with Repunzel was more believeable than other performances of ladies including Bernadette, who have played the Witch. Just my 2 cents. I would also love to know the truth about Ms.Buckley not being involved with Into the Woods. She would have been an incredible Witch.
"Someone tell the story...Someone sing the song...."
#55
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:11pm
But Buckley probably wouldn't have brought the funny.
Funny you say that about Williams' Witch. I actually thought it was a little more sapphic of a relationship than mother/daugher.
Funny you say that about Williams' Witch. I actually thought it was a little more sapphic of a relationship than mother/daugher.
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#56
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:13pm
I liked both for different reasons. But rumor has it that the BEST witch to have done it was Betsy Joslin
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#57
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:26pm
Whoa! Robbie....didn't get that from her interpretation at all....Just curious....what made you feel/think that? Maybe I missed something?
"Someone tell the story...Someone sing the song...."
#58
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:36pm
Well, I dunno which...
But after what munk said, I'd have to go with Vanessa....
But after what munk said, I'd have to go with Vanessa....
#59
Posted: 3/16/05 at 1:47pm
No contest whatsoever...BERNADETTE PETERS.
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#60
Posted: 3/16/05 at 2:51pm
Vanessa Williams.
The immortalized performance on the video recording of the show by Bernadette is weak and dry.
Personally, I didn't enjoy either but preferred Vanessa.
The immortalized performance on the video recording of the show by Bernadette is weak and dry.
Personally, I didn't enjoy either but preferred Vanessa.
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#61
Posted: 3/16/05 at 2:55pm
There was a tension in OUR LITTLE WORLD that clearly wasn't maternal (which is odd...Williams indeed is a mother), but it still was intimate. I thought, 'Wow...this could be FASCINATING.' But then it never went anywhere.
As much as I didn't like Williams in the show, I cannot say that I hold her to blame. I think James Lapine misdirected the entire piece.
As much as I didn't like Williams in the show, I cannot say that I hold her to blame. I think James Lapine misdirected the entire piece.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#62
Posted: 3/16/05 at 4:05pm
I thought that Williams (in a disgustingly underrated performance) and Peters were both excellent, and both brought different things to the role.
#63
Posted: 3/16/05 at 4:38pm
Rashad was awfully good, if vocally thin. Peters was always Peters, I remember her performance feeling less original in the theater than it does on the DVD, where she scores more persuasively. I agree with Robbie -- Williams' problems in the show were directorial; in the same space, she burned up SPIDER WOMAN. I felt she was held back by Lapine, and was asked to trade on elegance and charm (which she has to spare) when some deeper character work would've enhanced. Except for her transformation moment, very sexy and almost orgasmic, you never saw her sweat -- but hey, a little sweat might've been good.
But does anyone else just think the part itself is a problem? Sondheim kept diddling with her final number "Last Midnight," to no avail. When I first saw the show in previews, there was an earlier version, "Boom Squish!" which didn't land. His revisions haven't made the number a show stopper, or even ... frankly ... clear. The character has all this heated summing up of motive and intention before she falls through a trap door, and we don't really get what she's so worked up about, do we? "I'm the witch, I'm the hitch, I'm what no one believes...etc." When you have to explain your symbols, you're in explication hell. The role remains strangely muted and hard to invest in. But I love the show, so go figure?
But does anyone else just think the part itself is a problem? Sondheim kept diddling with her final number "Last Midnight," to no avail. When I first saw the show in previews, there was an earlier version, "Boom Squish!" which didn't land. His revisions haven't made the number a show stopper, or even ... frankly ... clear. The character has all this heated summing up of motive and intention before she falls through a trap door, and we don't really get what she's so worked up about, do we? "I'm the witch, I'm the hitch, I'm what no one believes...etc." When you have to explain your symbols, you're in explication hell. The role remains strangely muted and hard to invest in. But I love the show, so go figure?
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Updated On: 3/16/05 at 04:38 PM
#64
Posted: 3/16/05 at 4:51pm
Couldn't agree more. The role is almost incidental. Obviously, there needed to be a witch in these stories. The role has some interest early on, but there's no emotional investment, like with the other characters. Had they made her truly evil, it would have gone against the ambivalence of character the show revelled (sp?) in...which also happens to be its greatest asset. They couldn't humanize her too much...after all, she's the witch. So we're left with a muddled character that feels more perfunctory than inspired.
And LAST MIDNIGHT just doesn't work...and I think Sondheim would tell you that.
And LAST MIDNIGHT just doesn't work...and I think Sondheim would tell you that.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#66
Posted: 3/16/05 at 5:04pm
First this silly question, then the same but for Donna/Brooke?
Folks, Vanessa & Brooke both did very admirable jobs, but Bernadette & Donna are much higher caliber performers and far outshone the other ladies.
Folks, Vanessa & Brooke both did very admirable jobs, but Bernadette & Donna are much higher caliber performers and far outshone the other ladies.
#67
Posted: 3/16/05 at 6:23pm
Funny you say that about Williams' Witch. I actually thought it was a little more sapphic of a relationship than mother/daugher.
It's not just Williams' Witch, Bernadette's too -- I think it's inherent in the role. There's something erotic about the Witch's possessiveness over Repunzel.
Isn't her motivation for "Last Midnight" her anguish at having lost Repunzel, and Jack is to blame?
It's not just Williams' Witch, Bernadette's too -- I think it's inherent in the role. There's something erotic about the Witch's possessiveness over Repunzel.
Isn't her motivation for "Last Midnight" her anguish at having lost Repunzel, and Jack is to blame?
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#68
Posted: 3/16/05 at 6:29pm
Off-topic, but did you know that Imelda Staunton (VERA DRAKE) originated The Baker's Wife in the London production? She was fabulous, too.
#69
Posted: 3/16/05 at 6:30pm
Really? Could she sing good... well I guess the baker's wife isn't much of a singing role anyway. She semi-chants like the witch.
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#70
Posted: 3/16/05 at 6:30pm
YES!!!! She's BRILLIANT! I'm still pulling for her to win the role of Mrs. Lovett in the SWEENEY film.
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#71
Posted: 3/16/05 at 6:34pm
Ms. Staunton is the best Baker's Wife of the three I've seen (Gleason and O'Malley being the other two.)
And I second that call for her to be Mrs. Lovett. Perfect!
And Kangaroo, she sings wonderfully, and has a marvellous stage presence.
And I second that call for her to be Mrs. Lovett. Perfect!
And Kangaroo, she sings wonderfully, and has a marvellous stage presence.
#72
Posted: 3/17/05 at 3:27pm
I loved both Bernadette & Vanessa in the role but my favorite is Ellen Foley.
I heard Julia McKenzie on the London recording,she was too shrill for me.
I heard Julia McKenzie on the London recording,she was too shrill for me.
#73
Posted: 3/17/05 at 5:44pm
Bernadette owns the role. Didn't see Vanessa but heard the revival's OBCR and as much as I love this show not just for its performances but also for its music....I will not buy the Venessa version. She just didn't do it for me. And I like Vanessa! Just not as the witch!
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#74
Posted: 3/17/05 at 6:38pm
what a waste of a thread! those of you who are under the delusion that vanessa was better need to mosey on back to drama school.
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