"If you have a sensitivity to something--smell, food, or other--then YOU have to deal with it. Try to find an empty seat, or stay home. That is not being mean, or ignorant, or rude...that's just the honest truth. "
What are you, twelve? Even logan has abandoned you, you insensitive twit. You are mean, ignorant, and rude, but mostly ignorant, and wouldn't know the truth until you developed a sudden sensitivity and it swelled up your throat and asphyxiated you.
Just pointing it out that monkey was being pretty reasonable until others started needlessly attacking him. I agree that now he's being pretty immature about it, but ghostlight, you're being just as big of an ass as he is at this point. He's not some kind of monster; just relaying his opinions, and frankly, he does make some good points just as those who disagree with him do.
Monkey took this thread which *I* started into a completely different direction. I don't think his comprehension skills are all that good. He obviously posted in a thread about a subject he knew nothing about.
I started this thread to find out what others who HAVE reactions like mine, what they do. I was not sitting here BLAMING the people wearing purfume/cologne. It's not their fault.
Monkey should know better than to say just "stay home." That's unacceptable and not why I started this thread. HE is the one blaming the people wearing purfume/cologne, not me. Updated On: 1/5/09 at 03:49 AM
People who don't have basic consideration for the rest of the human race just make me sad. No one's saying "DON'T WEAR COLOGNE EVEN THOUGH YOU LIKE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT YOU TO!".
Look at it this way: no one wants to see my ass hanging out of a far-too-short skirt. So although I like short skirts, I always make sure it's suitably covering, or wear a thick pair of tights underneath. No one wants to sit near a chick who has serious BO problems. So I wash daily and apply unscented deodorant before dressing. No one wants to see my lunch all down my front should I be having a clumsy day, so if I spill food on my top, I clean it off, change it, or cover it up. Some people have severe peanut allergies so while I love peanuts, I would not eat them in a theatre, aeroplane, tube train, anywhere where people are all crammed in together. Same goes for perfume; walking around a street, no problem. In an enclosed or crowded place, only in teeny amounts, if at all.
I still wear short skirts. I still eat peanuts. I have been known on occasion to wear perfume. But because I am one of those apparently rare beasts who doesn't think she's the centre of the universe and the pinnacle of human achievement, I bear other people in mind before embarking on these things. And I'm pleased to read there are other people who have this basic consideration for others (less pleased for the people who think their right to do what they want is more important than other people's right to be comfortable).
Jennafan, I guess all you can do is ask ushers to move you. If it's a sold-out show, perhaps you could do standing room for the first half if necessary, then find someone during the interval who wouldn't mind swapping places. But even a sold-out show will still have a space or two; I'm sure most houses keep at least one or two in case of emergency.
This thread has taken an unexpected turn. Be heartened by the fact most people think "JUST STAY HOME!!!111!!11!!!!!" is an unreasonable response, and take it as read from our posts that if you spy us in a theatre and you need to swap seats, we're totally on your side. ;D
As usual on this board, the second that someone disagrees with you it considered "taking the original post in a new direction" and the poster is "stupid" and "has no idea what he/she is talking about."
I am a very understanding person, and am sorry for those who have allergies to ANYTHING, but the allergy problem is your problem, not the general publics problem and if it's so bad that your allergy could become a medical emergency, such as the case with going to the theatre and setting near someone wearing perfume or cologne that causes a problem for you, then yes...you shold just stay home. There is no guarantee in a free society that you may smell something you don't like, and regardless of how the majority of the posters on the thread were trying to sound, they came off as "bleeding hearts" who think that everyone takes a bath in perfume/cologne just to piss people off or cause health problems for the select few who are sensitive to smells, and then they decide to throw insults around to people who feel differently. Get over yourselves.
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I agree with your concerns. I went to the theater about a year ago with friends. I sat on the left side and one of my perfume-wearing friends sat on the right side. The lady next to her complained about the strong scent. I offered to change seats with my friend and the lady said thank-u. After the show, my friend complained about the "rudeness" of the lady and I told my friend---"she was absolutely right--many people have allergies or are sensitive---you shouldn't wear it so heavily". (I've been dying to say this to her for about 20 years!) Point was taken---she wears (slightly) less these days.
I have really bad allergies in general and sitting next to someone who bathes in perfume is awful, but smoke is worse for me.
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I agree that in most cases, unless it is a show that's sold out a la Wicked or Jersey Boys ushers will be very helpful if approached politely and if it's at all possible.
I'm not necessarily overly sensitive to perfumes, but if it's applied heavily or is a particularly strong or muck-based scent, I can have breathing issues. Once when I was seeing The Vertical Hour a couple sat in front of me, and she had on an extremely strong musk-based scent. I could feel myself starting to wheeze and went to the top of the mezz stairs to ask the usher about moving. It would not have been a problem anyway as there were plenty of extra seats, but I wanted to be polite and ask before moving. As it turns out, there was an older couple who had not realized there was no entrance to the mezz on the first row level, and could not navigate the stairs down to their front row mezz seats, so they were taking two seats in the back row. The usher thanked me for asking before moving somewhere and then personally escorted me to one of their seats in the front row of the mezz.
In several other instances I've seen ushers bend over backwards to help those who are polite about whatever request a person has. It's the people who appear to feel entitled who seem to typically have the bad experience issues. (I'm not saying anyone on here who has a chemical sensitivity is acting entitled. But I have seen some people in other settings who DO feel that the world should bow to their every need.)
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That's true! I agree with you there that nobody can be forced to not wear purfume/cologne. It just would be nice, but I think the problem is that a lot of people (if not all) have NO IDEA that some people sitting next to them may be allergic.
Along with that, jenna, the idea that perhaps the perfume wearer is actually the cause of all that annoying sniffling, coughing and sneezing.
FlyingMonkey, ever consider that you'd be enhancing your own theatrical experience by skipping (or using very sparingly) the cologne when attending an event in close confines? I'm no psychic but somehow, I think you'd be the first to complain about a sneezy, wheezy audience member...
I've decided I'm going to see RENT and wear as much cologne as possible. I'm also spraying it on the signs I'm bringing with me, that I hold up when I scream during the show.
You'll know it's me, because I plan on eating gassy foods before hand and fart my way through the show...
I'll be sitting in front of Celerey and Flying Monkey. But I'll stand up every time I pass gas.
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Or are you one of those people who scream at Rent?
That's what I think it is.
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Jenna's the person who started this whole thread. She didn't realize you were being sarcastic, so she was offended by you saying you'd spray yourself with cologne, thinking you meant you didn't care about people with allergies. If you read her other posts, you'll see she's a sensible person.
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Geez, do I have to post *SARCASAM ALERT* before I post like that?
Besides, did she even read her own thread? I DID post this:
Stop Stinking Up The Place. Posted On: 1/4/09 at 10:44 PM
Sorry, Monkey, but you are sort of being ass like.
Fragrances of any kind are not allowed backstage at any opera house.
Also, as a dresser, I never know if my actors may have allergies, so all of my clothes are washed in Tide Free.
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Ever since I had the miserable experience of sitting next to a woman who smelled like a hard-boiled egg at City Center, I have literally doused myself with cologne whenever I go to the theater. I don't care if others can't stand the aroma of 4711. At least I can enjoy its aroma throughout the performance and not worry about whether or not I have a packet of mayonnaise in my coat pocket.