will NEWSIES not win cause it's Disney?

Newsies has a great chance at winning best musical but the TONYS ususally over look the greatness of some musicals because they're from DISNEY.A disney musical hasn't won best musical since Lion king, so I wll be so happy if Newsies wins and puts Disney Theatricals back on top.thoughts?

AIDA should have been nominated, if not have won. NEWSIES is the best Disney production since then.

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I guess it will play a part in Newsies' not winning, but only a part.

Even if the show were produced by someone else, no Tony Award voters would vote for it because it would not be hip to do so. And those voters don't want to bear the ultimate ignominy of seeming like out-of-touch old fuds. So they opt for the trendy flavor of the day, no matter how horrible it is (like they did with a similar horror, Passion over another far better show by Disney.)

You see, it's all about psychology, how people want to be perceived, and even more importantly, how they want not--- or fear --- to be perceived. It's not the fear of being disliked, but the fear of being ridiculed.

I don't know which will take it next week -- but we'll never know WHY a show did or didn't win.

Those that want it to win will surely find a "reason" and not be able to accept that it might just be because the majority of the voters like something else better. MIGHT there be a specific reason? Sure, but we can only theorize.

Personally, I think Once is the better show, but I won't be shocked if Newsies takes it.

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^ I completely agree.

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Well I know the Amsterdam is not part of the standard usher union, but like most Disney employees they have better benefits than the actors on the stage and even you for that matter. The theater also has independent contracts with the stagehand and musiscians unions. Their merchandisers (people who sell posters and what not) work in both the Amsterdam and Neaderlander interchangably not sure about the Minskof(can't spell). Disney tried to basically break up the theater unions when the Amsterdam was renovated. They went to Playbills competitor to create the Showbill for the Amsterdam, which Playbill eventually bought over. They tried to get their actors for Lion King put under the circus performers union instead of equity, similar to the Cirque de Dreams Jungle Fantasy in the Broadway a few years back. Also Disney was basically given the Amsterdam, all reovations were paid for by the city, all Disney had to do was give the city 8% of its annual profits at the Amsterdam annually. In the long run the city has made out on the deal and then some, but at the time it was like the US gov bailing out Ford, except Disney didn't actually need the money.

The whole joke of the Time Square "roller coaster" stems from Walt Disneys initial dream of having Walt Disney World in New York instead of Orlando. Fast foward 20 yrs Times Square is drug/sex/illegal activity central 42nd street was in shambles, and the mayor created the 42nd street revitalization committe, to bring life back to the dying area. Their initial goal was to get a major (media) corp to invest in the area, more specifically Disney after they bought abc. They begged Disney and basically gave them free reign, in which everyone was expecting a theme park but Disney showed restraint and only occupied a few key locations the Amsterdam, abc studios(where Gma is filmed), Espn zone, the site if the former Disney store next to the Amsterdam, and the Palace with Beauty and the Beast. It was the spark the area needed to become Americas most visited location beating WDW with 50million visitors annually. Many people in the theater industry miss the old Time Square. It didn't help that Disney occupied Broadway's most historic theaters....vaudville's crown jewel aka the Palace and the home of the Ziegfeild Follies the Amsterdam.
**Don't quote me verbatum, but I did a 23 page thesis on the Disnifacation of Time Square***

Updated On: 6/4/12 at 07:44 PM

^ Exactly. ONCE is a far better show. It's not even a contest.

No, it won't win because its not Once.

Great research bdn, those are most of the facts.
After BEAUTY was established as a hit, DISNEY wanted to write their own rules and not be a part of the League, and basically got their way.
As you said the "takeover" was not as dramatic as predicted.
As DISNEY became a part of the Family, getting in bed with the Needers didn't hurt, they became more accepted. They are also big supporters of BCEFA, offering the Amst. for benefits, connecting AIDS orgs. in Africa along with THE LION KING, etc.

As Bernadette sings TIME HEALS EVERYTHING.

NEWSIES was not even spose to be a BWay show, but they have a hit with an entertaing show for kids and some adults. They won't go home empty handed as someone said, but ONCE is cooking.

Once is the better show. Plain and simple. Newsies not winning has nothing to do with it being Disney. It won't win because Once is the better show.

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And, while yes, Mermaid and Tarzan did not live up to typical Disney standard, they were not terrible shows.

Ehhh they were pretty dreadful IMO.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Newsies pulls an upset but I think Once will get Best musical but it's going to be close, there's no clear winner unlike in previous years.

Newsies is a bit of a comeback for Disney after two not so good production, It'll be nice if it wins Best Musical but TBH it doesn't need to, it's a huge hit on Broadway and will likely be a hit on tour and possibly overseas.

One thing I do find strange about Disney though is that they pretty much completely ignore any nominations/awards their shows receive besides TONYs. The only time I have ever seen them include Outer Critics Circle, Drama League and Drama Desk noms on anything for any show was in their latest NEWSIES promo. But in adds, they only include TONY noms.