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What exactly defines a "protest vote"? Does voting for the candidate who best represents your values, even if that candidate is not a mainstream choice, constitute a protest vote?

To me, a protest vote means voting for someone you don't like to spite someone you really don't like. For instance, if I lived in Virginia, I'd probably vote for Clinton to harm Trump's chances of winning. That would be a protest vote against Trump, not an endorsement of Clinton. On the other hand, I plan to vote for Johnson (for reasons I've explained previously) as an affirmative choice, imperfect as he is.

Unrelated: when did you get jacked, kdogg?!

"Even the left of center NYTimes admits it."

No, Ross Douthat admits it. You saw "Opinion Pages" in bold letters at the top of the article right?

And he BARELY acknowldeges Trump is an extremist and goes on to compare him to Nixon and Reagan.

ErikJ972 said: ""Even the left of center NYTimes admits it."

No, Ross Douthat admits it. You saw "Opinion Pages" in bold letters at the top of the article right?

And he BARELY acknowldeges Trump is an extremist and goes on to compare him to Nixon and Reagan.



"oh, I see, you need it spelled out in your exact terms.. And you ignored my question to you. the whole point of me posting. do you not agree that the hosts other than Fallon are Left and political? That is why there was the outrage about his interview.

Kad said: "Unrelated: when did you get jacked, kdogg?!"

Over the past 3 years or so. :) Thanks for noticing!

Don't know if this video has been posted here or not, but this is the most eloquent Laganja has ever been. I wasn't sure what to expect. "Drag Queens Drags Trump"

But kdogg, your protest vote for Gary Johnson is still a vote for a man who stands for these--do you?



* Gary Johnson wants to eliminate environmental regulation

* Gary Johnson wants to do away with public schools

* Gary Johnson wants to dismantle Social Security and Medicare



If you want to kill the environment and do away with public education and Social Security, I have lost any respect I might have had for you--or your jacked shoulders.

Updated On: 9/22/16 at 11:34 PM

PalJoey said: "But kdogg, your protest vote for Gary Johnson is still a vote for a man who stands for these--do you?"

To give a direct answer: maybe theoretically, in a very different kind of world. I don't support them at all as things to pursue now or in the foreseeable future.

I don't think Johnson could get any of these things done, or even that he'd really pursue them. He didn't go that kind of extreme when he was governor of New Mexico.

I do think he would be much less likely than the mainstream candidates to invade countries that haven't attacked the US, or to send assassination drones to kill Middle Eastern families, or to have the NSA spy on our communications, or to destroy the lives of people who dare to expose these evils. That's enough for me.

ETA: I should say that's enough to get me to choose him, in a non-swing state, as the best use of my vote. Obviously he's not getting elected.

Updated On: 9/22/16 at 04:04 PM

Kdogg is a good guy PJ, what's with you?

Kdogg I agree with so much of what you say. I find most of Clinton's foreign policy stances deplorable. I WAS going to vote for Jill Stein since I live in NJ but then I dug a little deeper into her platform and realized it was kind of...wacky.

Trump is such a danger to the country that I do think it's important to go out and vote for Clinton even though I'm not a fan of hers. And then it will be my job, and everyone elses, to stay active and keep her accountable.

You seem like a smart guy...Gary Johnson doesn't.

Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson Has a Unique Reason for Shrugging Off Climate Change

Apparently, we shouldn’t bother worrying because someday the sun will encompass our whole planet.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2016/09/gary_johnson_thinks_climate_change_doesn_t_matter_because_the_sun_will_eventually.html

ErikJ972 said: "Kdogg I agree with so much of what you say. I find most of Clinton's foreign policy stances deplorable. I WAS going to vote for Jill Stein since I live in NJ but then I dug a little deeper into her platform and realized it was kind of...wacky.

Trump is such a danger to the country that I do think it's important to go out and vote for Clinton even though I'm not a fan of hers. And then it will be my job, and everyone elses, to stay active and keep her accountable.

You seem like a smart guy...Gary Johnson doesn't.

Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson Has a Unique Reason for Shrugging Off Climate Change

Apparently, we shouldn’t bother worrying because someday the sun will encompass our whole planet.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2016/09/gary_johnson_thinks_climate_change_doesn_t_matter_because_the_sun_will_eventually.html



He really needs to stop smoking marijuana before he gives these interviews.

Honestly PJ, (and I say this with love) your attitude towards people who disagree with you on Hillary Cllinton is pretty rotten. And it's a lousy way to convince people who are on the fence to vote for Hillary Clinton. You're probably doing more harm than good. Belitttling people an telling them they can "go to hell" is not a effective way to sway them to your side.

I've spent much of the summer convincing Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary. You're going about it the wrong way.

No! This is NOT the election to give up on! My candiate, who I felt very passionately about, lost and I haven't given up. I'm just saying that treating everyone who is not supporting Clinton like they are evil isn't going to change anyone's mind. And I think you COULD change people's mind..If this Sanders supporter can do it anyone can!