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[HorseTears]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 7:33am

Anywayyyy, this was fun:

 

 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 7:39am

Well, you still haven't told me how my vote for Johnson in Maryland is going to get Trump elected. Clinton is up by 33 points in Maryland; the state is not even remotely in play. You said something about people like me leading to Gore losing in 2000, but this isn't Florida. My vote's not going to deny Clinton those ten electoral votes, and those are the only ones I have the tiniest control over.

I've said repeatedly that I'd likely vote for Clinton if I lived in a swing state. I am not encouraging any possible Clinton voters to jump ship.

It's probably foolish of me to engage you on this at this point. I deeply respect your contributions on the main board, from which I've learned so much, but here you've become rather abusive. Oh well!

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 8:35am

This won’t be eloquent, but, kdogg, I think what PJ is getting at is that rhetoric affects voting. Trump is threat enough to you that, if you lived in a state he could win, you’d vote Clinton to prevent that. What frustrates Clinton supporters is the perception that third-party voters – no matter what state they’re in – damage Clinton’s overall support by acknowledging voting for her only as a worst-case scenario. Not only does it not encourage fence-sitters toward her, but it also allows the enthusiasm among Trump’s base to gain traction with that group. So, what it seems to boil down to is – you agree unequivocally that Clinton should be elected over Trump, but you still engage in rhetoric that harms her support.

 

It definitely smacks of “If you’re not with us, you’re against us,” and I have complicated feelings about that myself, but a lot of people feel Trump’s candidacy is an extraordinary enough case to justify this mentality.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 8:58am

That was plenty eloquent. :) I guess what you characterize (not unfairly) as "engaging in rhetoric" is, to me, just sharing my opinion like everyone else is doing here. I spend zero time in real life trying to convince people to vote for Johnson and that is not my intention here, either. Perhaps I should keep a lower profile for the next six weeks, at least as far as the presidential vote is concerned!

I actually spend much more energy and time expressing my hatred and anger towards Trump and, frankly, his supporters, and not always in a constructive way. Therefore, although I don't think I'm the right target, I'm actually fairly understanding of PalJoey's tone. :)

[madbrian]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 9:26am

kdogg36 said: "...Perhaps I should keep a lower profile for the next six weeks, at least as far as the presidential vote is concerned!"

No, you should not keep a lower profile.  No one who speaks honestly, candidly, and respectfully should.  Politics, in general, tends to bring out the worst in folks, and this election in particular has emotions incredibly high.  I happen to disagree with your philosophy, and I have to say I still don't fully comprehend your reasoning despite your numerous explanations, but there are far greater concerns at this time.

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 9:48am

 

Yeah, "rhetoric/rhetorically" in the literal sense. You’re not shouting in the streets that Clinton is a witch to be burned, but your open support of Johnson is a tacit denouncement of her candidacy, which seems like a good thing to bear in mind if you really see Trump as a threat to the country. And I’m certainly not encouraging you to keep your peace. Like madbrian, I have a hard time wrapping my head around your support for Gary Johnson (and libertarianism in general), but this is still America.

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 3:34pm

This is Martin O'Malley on a radio interview from this week. Why he is not out on the campaign speech roster is puzzling to me b/c he is really very good. His comments include several comparisons of Trump to Nazi Germany. Additionally, the issue of same "gender" marriage comes up ( as it is still an issue in Australia, awaiting a plebiscite/vote.)

 For some reason, this is an interview from Australian radio Adelaide, Australia. That's fine but he really needs to be in the swing states speaking. This is from Buzzfeed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/martin-omalley-trump-advocates-for-policies-last-seen-in-naz?utm_term=.udMlB4o7W#.hsGMd5VWP

This is also about a 5 minute Sound Cloud interview with O'Malley.

https://soundcloud.com/fiveaa/governor-martin-omalley-pt-2

Lastly for now, I hope some of our passion and tempers can be understood and kept in check. This is such a volatile topic that it actually is tearing families apart or causing huge strains and behavior modification. I myself have had to un-friend my brother and my nephew from Facebook b/c their friends and contacts read from my timeline, didn't like what they read, and started to troll me. I'd like to say that's typical Trump namby-pamby behavior, but we've agreed to disagree with some family members and their contacts are the ones causing the tension.

We all seem to get along most of the time in here so I hope we don't lose that, especially for the next 6 weeks, and hopefully the panic and fear will help lead to action that will make a difference in the outcome.

(And the "Between Two Ferns" is Priceless!)

Updated On: 9/23/16 at 03:34 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 7:51pm

It's been a good thing that we see how our friends and family react to this election, who they're for or not. You're late to the party Steve C.  I had to unfriend my friends and family months ago.  I could see it was going to get ugly and it has.  One constant throughout this whole year on these boards has been PJ's insane love affair with this woman.  He has been going overboard for a long time and he needs to be called out.  If you were for Bernie, he acted like an ass, and if you're not with her now you're stupid.  In fact all of us who have wrote anything against her can go to hell.  You sir need to lighten up, and as much as I admire the Growl, and his humor, Kdogg has no reason to regret how he feels, a lot of us feel the same way, and he is quite right that his vote won't matter in Maryland, and if he wants to come on here and state his feelings who are you folks to say anything.

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 8:05pm

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1255694001153793/

I teared

[South Florida]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 9:42pm

HT it looks like they had to cut out because she laughed too hard at some of those questions.  This was great and definitely Hilary friendly.  He looked stoned.

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 9/23/16 at 10:25pm

Librarian from outer space, lost it then.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 11:46am

The deeper they dig the more shit they find: Obama used pseudonym in emails with Clinton

The FBI said in its notes from an Huma Abedin interview that the address on a Clinton email chain "is believed to be a pseudonym used by the President."

Abedin said she didn't recognize the name and "expressed her amazement" that Obama used a pseudonym.

The FBI said she exclaimed: "How is this not classified?"

At this point which one is really the lesser of two evils? I wish anyone BUT Hilary and Donald were running for President, and Obama using a pseudonym? Why? What were those two hiding? My guess is the fact that Hilary was using a private e-mail server when she shouldn't have been in the first place.

SMDH.

 

Updated On: 9/24/16 at 11:46 AM

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 12:33pm

The only reason I am voting for "that woman" is to avoid the bigger tragedy of Trump becoming President, but I don't like her and I don't trust her.

Either way we're screwed.

Frack away Hilary - - - and continue lying and not disclosing transcripts from your speeches for Gldman Sachs.

Transparency my ass.

[Sally Durant Plummer]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 3:23pm

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-for-president.amp.html?client=safari

 

Love, love, love this!

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 4:40pm

^ Journalistic ass-kissing at its very best.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 5:39pm

 

Shaddup and go stump for Trump.

 

[madbrian]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 7:03pm

Multiple news sites are reporting Trump has invited Gennifer Flowers as a guest at the debate, and she has accepted. 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 8:01pm

I've been fighting a week of measured actions and reactions to people with differing views on who is qualified to be elected as President. Even this thread has been more explosive than usual. But now this piece from the Daily Beast, this is the kind of "advertising" that really makes me lose my $hit!!!

Now, Caitlyn Jenner has been convincing the Queen of the World, Kim K., that she should vote for Donald Trump. What in the hell are we supposed to make of this? Do you know how influential some of KK's admirers could be? Even if she says she's "thinking about" voting for Trump, that is too, too much for me. (Are the middle names of Kardashians KKK?)  

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/09/23/caitlyn-jenner-convinces-kim-kardashian-to-consider-trump.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

Now, as for Jenner, I mean no disrespect to her transgender identity, but she has never stopped being "an entitled, super rich, white guy, living in luxury and caring nothing about people in the world that "she" could do so very much to help. Exploiting a dozen transgender persons stories for a TV show is not how to give back to her community. Of the transgender people in my life, they have worked circles around Jenner, giving back so much more love and volunteering whenever possible in the many ways to support other transgender people in their struggle. 

This is the point where I start raving, because, if you are rich enough and DON'T REALLY CARE about the issues and the well being of your fellow citizens you are the sham, you are the Ted Cruzs, you are the Ryans, and McConnells, you are the Log Cabins, you are the pathetic "Jenner's" that have already built their own walls to keep out the rest of the world. If you don't care about the absolute future of the world, leading us back toward a growing Nazi state, I will defy you and fight you every way possible. It Trump is elected there will be blood in the streets. Caitlyn, stay in your F**king "tasteful" Ivory Castle, you stupid b!tch.     

[SNAFU]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 8:04pm

I think Clinton should invite a handful of small buisiness owners he stiffed.

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 8:12pm

You're right SNAFU. And I have first hand knowledge of a NJ food wholesaler, that supplied the produce, the deli, the condiments, the famous steaks, where I was the A/C - A/P manager, to the casinos. We got stiffed for over $100,000 in the end and couldn't touch him b/c of bankruptcy.

One of the many reasons we'll never see his tax returns. 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 8:21pm

More cowardice and petulant behavior; Cruz backs out of Meet The Press tomorrow due to "logistic problems". Ted suck your own A$$. You better get used to it. 

The tweet says it was "NBC's problem"; were you going to have Loser Lauer interview him ? 

Updated On: 9/24/16 at 08:21 PM

[@z5]

Posted: 9/24/16 at 11:33pm

At this point it looks like Trump will be the one with the landslide victory. Hopefully people are starting to finally realize the lying crook she truly is.

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 9/25/16 at 12:09am

What a stupid, lame, and trollish thing to say! Oh really? It looks like Trump is gonna win by a landslide? That's a thing that people are actually saying? What a complete moron

[HorseTears]

Posted: 9/25/16 at 1:03am

I hope "people" keep saying that^.  Let's light a fire under Democratic and Dem-leaning voters.  

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/25/16 at 5:37am

Oh the trolling, the trolling...please make it stop. How many times must I look at the disrespect given to not only HRC but President Obama too, Clown noses and make up is so "original".And while President Obama's second term (where he was constantly battled and blocked by the Senate) was less productive than the first, he has not given up. The Senate still won't deal with SCOTUS. When HRC is elected, a vote will be scheduled the next day. 

Don't let the misinformation take over and color your vote. Just as people won't vocally admit to voting for Trump, please once you get in the voting booth really say to yourself, "Is this man qualified and can he actually run our country through surrogates and mentors (like what happened with Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld...Trump's children???)  

EveryoneI will laugh and give out Skittles and Chee-tos for Halloween, but this is no joke. It's no wonder I can't sleep.

Updated On: 9/25/16 at 05:37 AM