Brokeback hits $31 million with no end in sight!!!- Page 4

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:11pm

*cheers*

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:11pm

But come on fellas, including the pretentious wanting-it-both-ways Brit:

Does anyone think the *dominate* subliminal message in BROKEBACK is, be gay = you die? No. It says, if you love a man THAT'S WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

No one leaves ROMEO AND JULIET convinced that prefering p---y to d---k will mean suicide is your only option. And in 2006, watching men who fall in love in 1963, boys won't think "omygod, I've got--yikes!--ONE OPTION! If I get laid, I'll....have to die!" The argument about the "negative message" in the tragic ending is specious and Jack-Twisted to fit it into the thesis about Hollywood and gay story telling. BROKEBACK offer up its own story, specific to time, place, and character.

To my thinking, it ultimately offers one message, not so dissimilar to Larry Kramer's famous quote used in NORMAL HEART.

"We must love one another, or die."

The love shown in the film is clearly the answer, not the curse, or any tragic inevitability. And it's the love shown that is filling those seats.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:11pm

A freezer doesn't fart when you take the meat out.

Oh, sorry, somebody answered already.

Auggie, I'd much rather explain to people who expect me to know how to pick a window treatment that I really am not that kind of gay than to spend my time having to actually explain that I am not lonely or doomed.

Updated On: 1/16/06 at 11:11 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:15pm

Auggie, that is my most favorite play in the entire world.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:16pm

people please, we're discussing bm here not some scatalogical morsel of blue humor.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:22pm

Auggie, I don't understand how it can be argued that BM is somehow "good for gay people" in general and that it will "change hearts and minds" but when it's pointed out that it's yet another in a long line of doomed gay characters in movies then it's "specific."

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:24pm

The films message is transmutative. Just like the power of love.

[MasterLcZ]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:30pm

As long as the fag winds up dead or miserable, it's all good.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:32pm

As long as he doesn't end up a window treater, too.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:33pm

and in a trailer.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:38pm

To be fair, straight people only have three movie types they have to find themselves in: 1) the one where they have to run in slow motion in front of a fireball because Internal Affairs was in on it the whole time; 2) the one where the guy and the girl who are always fighting have been communicating and falling in love with each other via some other medium and they dance in a montage to a Motown song; and 3) the one where the white coach wins the respect of his inner city team members.

I love that last one.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:38pm

Look at both as a writerw would for a moment:

The central relationship in NORMAL HEART is doomed because external "forces of antagonism," AIDS infection, destroy them. The central relationship in BROKEBACK is ultimately doomed (but! Let's remember, they have 20 years of fun on that mountain--how many posters here have 20 good years of decent nookie in a one room on 22nd and 9th, let alone the mountains? Sorry to digress...! a 20 year affair? Sad? Tragic? Because they never go to Home Depot or fight about store-bought salsa from Gourmet Garage?? Fellas! Where's your romantic spirit?!) because the live in a restrictive society they don't transcend. Both stories demonstrate that the love between the men is what counts, not the forces that keep them apart.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:40pm

Except that they don't stay in that restrictive time. Well, I mean, they do stay in it even though their facial hair and outfits move forward even if they don't.

Also, is Home Depot a gay stereotype now? I can't keep up.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:43pm

Well, how may times year did they average on the sex? 3? Less, probably with the years they didn't see each other. I've had good sex at least once a year every year for the past ten thirteen years, so I don't think it's such a mean feat. They weren't having consistent "decent nookie."

And, with the exception of a few moments that probably totaled less than five minutes on screen, I didn't seem the boys having a lot of "fun."

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:51pm

I've been in my relationship since A CHORUS LINE was in previews and with that amount of experience I have to say that I never once added the gay baggage to "Brokeback Mountain" that many folks have thrown onto it. Neither when I read the short story, nor when I saw the film.

I believe it was Auggie who said something similar earlier. I found it simply to be the story of two human beings who allowed the circumstances of their lives to control their mutual need to share their life with a soulmate.
Updated On: 1/16/06 at 11:51 PM

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:54pm

If BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN was directed by Gus Vant Sant but exactly the same, we wouldn't be having this discussion. At all.

(and basically the oevre of Mr. Lee as well)

Excuse me? Have you seen THE WEDDING BANQUET? That's as progressive a movie ending if there ever was one. Virtually all of Ang Lee's films (and they're quite diverse) are ruminations over the repression of the individual by social obligations, and form a call for liberalism. If Ang Lee is a conservative filmmaker, then Steven Spielberg is a heartless Nazi.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/16/06 at 11:55pm

So basically what you're saying Jose is that Jake shoulda said to Heath, "Life's too short, babe, time's a flyin,' I'm lookin for baggage that goes with mine?"

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:01am

Whine and bear!

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:04am

I think Jake should have said, "Listen, we're getting too old for this s**t. Dump the ****, and move down to Texas with me. Life is too short to be so lonely and so miserable. We got our health, we got each other, we got our land in Texas. Ain't nobody gonna mess with us there. We mind our own business and live our life. We ain't gonna change the world Ennis. We simply need to be together."

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:05am

"If BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN was directed by Gus Vant Sant but exactly the same ... "

Which is, of course, impossible. And we wouldn't be discussing it because there is never a hype machine ramming is movies down the collective gullet.

Speaking of which, at a theater showing BM, I saw a stand up poster that had a blurb on it urging people to log onto the movie's official site to "Share feelings" about the movie and, ready, "connections felt."

CONNECTIONS FELT! Holy crap. I woulda lit the thing on fire if it wouldn't have been felonious.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:08am

If you actually read some of the accounts posted, you might change your mind. A lot of gay men living in the southern states find that the film captures quite accurately their life and fears.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:12am

You mean I have missed the connections felt and if I had logged on and read what these men (and studios never have their flaks on their own web boards) had to say about how their lives are just like what all these straight people created I might not be destined to be lonely and alone with a shirt in a trailer? DRAT.

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:12am

Life is too short (that's for you, Namo) to stay in a town that won't allow you to be who you are.

[Kringas]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 12:36am

He kind of did, didn't he? That was around the time of the money line, wasn't it?

[Auggie27]

Posted: 1/17/06 at 10:01am

The new prognostications began today, with little bitch Dave Carver on TODAY saying that Heath and Michelle not winning meands "BROKEBACK has some real vulnerability at the Oscars..."

So now, look for that attenuated Lifetime M.O.W. about those sweet ol Carter-Cash folk to be considered the "dark horse." That's the media spin this a.m. And of course, WALK THE LINE is a movie any red state could love as best picture.

Wouldn't surprise me if BROKEBACK moves into SIDEWAYS territory. Has happened before. Even with Lee and McMurtry winning, and a different film getting the picture nod.