DARK KNIGHT premiere... DEADLY shootings 14 dead many injured in Co. — Page 2

"America is no different from the UK etc."

Actually it's quite different. I think there should be stronger gun laws here. I don't think there ever will be. The US is a HUGE land mass. There are states with cultures so vastly different politically that they seem to be from different planets, let alone countries.

One of the best lefty thinkers I know wrote something about how he doesn't actually think changing gun control laws would work in a place like the US. And I came to a feeling about resignation.

I think Yawper is correct that, "American disrespect for and devaluation of others is" the topic we must look at. And loud, bombastic, empty spectacle onscreen in which violence is the cinematic language and body counts are the registers of entertainment value both reflect and contribute to a desensitized culture. That's all part of the post-Reagan selfishness that the Ayn Randians of this political moment still foster. People actually hear the explicit message that caring about others is a negative.

It's all part of the American soup that's turning rancid.

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Oh come on Namo, that's absurd, the only difference is that one country is bigger. And many countries far bigger than the UK don't suffer the same gun crimes

The UK is made up of a huge amount of cultures and backgrounds, we have areas in the UK that are gang areas, terrifying cities and towns etc, the difference is that we don't have guns.

People can argue all they want, left or right, they can say it wont change anything and blah blah blah but if you HONESTLY think that gun crime will not fall by banning guns you must be insane. It's not even something that you need to think about, less guns = less gun crime. It will take a long time for America to get illegal guns off the streets and as with all countries some will still filter through, but banning guns is the first step in lowering America's terrible gun crime statistics, that's the bottom line.

To this day i have NEVER heard one viable argument as to why Americans should have the right to carry guns.

The moment we had the Dunblane massacre here we changed everything because we were so shocked by the devastating loss of life, why is America not reacting the same, how many dead young people is to many?

Jane, i have never thought violence in entertainment makes someone go out and kill, Scream had a line in the film that whilst camoy i always thought was true 'Movies don't create psycho's, Movies make Psycho's more creative'. A person who is going to kill was always going to kill

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Updated On: 7/20/12 at 10:24 AM

There were reasons why the colonies threw off English rule...

Plus, I'm pretty sure video games are huge business in the UK too.

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In Japan video games and movies are way more nihilistic and violent. They don't have this problem either.
I don't think Japan is currently in the business of bombing civilians with unmanned drones though. Hmm....

I'm not saying empty violent spectacle as frivolous entertainment *causes* anything. I am saying it reflects where the culture is at. And I do think it is worth looking at how it dovetails (or not) with a culture that contains a large segment of people saying "I don't care about other people."

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One of the deadliest incidents in US history only nominally involved a gun -


Bath School Massacre

Yawner, you are really bringing up an incident from 1927? get a f*****g grip.

Try this one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9414540/Batman-cinema-screening-shooting-a-history-of-mass-shootings-in-the-US-since-Columbine.html

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Updated On: 7/20/12 at 10:51 AM

Namo it has f**k all to do with understanding the states, it's really not that much of unique country. It's simple math, less guns = less gun crime, why is that even worth arguing, what exactly is the problem with that?

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"Jane, i have never thought violence in entertainment makes someone go out and kill, Scream had a line in the film that whilst camoy i always thought was true 'Movies don't create psycho's, Movies make Psycho's more creative'. A person who is going to kill was always going to kill"

I used to think that way but now, not so much. How can you discount parents buying little children a GAME which makes it fun to kill as many people as possible? Little children who are in their formative years. These children see that their parents are ok with the fun of killing. I don't think there's any proof that this doesn't affect their attitude towards life in general. That's the way I'm looking at it today.

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You know who I feel terrible for among the victims at the midnight show in Colorado? The 9-year old and the 3-month old.


THIS is the rancid American culture I'm talking about.

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Updated On: 7/20/12 at 11:27 AM

I assume a babysitter could not be found for a midnight showing. However, my feeling on that is, when people have children, they need to understand that there will be times when they will not be able to do what they want.

If you can't make the midnight preview of a movie because no one can watch your child? Well, that's parenthood. The movie is not going anywhere; see it when you can get a babysitter.

If you wanted to put a three month old in a loud movie theater made even louder by cheering fans, then that is a problem.

Updated On: 7/20/12 at 11:29 AM