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#102
Posted: 7/20/12 at 1:35pm
For the record, I think if Obama tried to take people's guns away right now, it would, if anything, cause an escalation in violence and tensions.
The NRA has been screaming for 3 years that Obama wants to take away people's guns (though there has been no activity on that front), and any move by him to do so would just feed into the paranoia.
But I do think some sensible gun control laws can be passed that protect rights under the second amendment while also trying to protest the rest of us from the least of us. We will never go door to door and take everyone's guns. It just will not happen. We should, however, have sensible, reasonable regulations on the sale and use of guns. I am sure some folks will disagree, and that is fine. That is the American way.
The NRA has been screaming for 3 years that Obama wants to take away people's guns (though there has been no activity on that front), and any move by him to do so would just feed into the paranoia.
But I do think some sensible gun control laws can be passed that protect rights under the second amendment while also trying to protest the rest of us from the least of us. We will never go door to door and take everyone's guns. It just will not happen. We should, however, have sensible, reasonable regulations on the sale and use of guns. I am sure some folks will disagree, and that is fine. That is the American way.
#103
Posted: 7/20/12 at 1:36pm
Yawper - research the Continental Army. It was basically a way of organizing disparate militia forces into some semblance of a force. It was far from an organized army like we have today.
Also, since I admit to not being an expert in U.S. military history, I did a bit of reading. While the army as an organization was founded in 1784, there was no standing army as that was one of our founders' greatest fears - that a standing army could usurp a democratic government's authority. A temporary army to defend the frontier was establish in 1791 (after the Constitution was written) but was quickly disbanded in 1796. The point still holds - at the time of the Constitution, men needed to have guns so they could quickly run to defend the new country in the event of an attack. That's not an issue today.
While from a historical (note: not a Constitutional) perspective, the Supreme Court decides the constitutionality of laws, that doesn't mean we all need to agree with everything they say. Assemble a room full of constitutional scholars and ask them about their opinions of Heller, Roe v. Wade, the healthcare ruling, Citizens United, etc. and every single one of them will disagree with the Court on many rulings. Judicial review is another interesting concept as it isn't enshrined anywhere in the beloved Constitution but was instead largely invented by Chief Justice Marshal during Marbury v. Madison. A strict constructionist should actually find the very idea of judicial review horrifying. Look all over the Constitution, it isn't there. But, that's another issue entirely.
Even if we do look at the S.C. as the be all end all for Constitutional debates, which is ridiculous in it of itself, the Court in Heller did acknowledge that some regulations/restrictions are constitutional. I'm not advocating for a complete ban of guns.
Also, since I admit to not being an expert in U.S. military history, I did a bit of reading. While the army as an organization was founded in 1784, there was no standing army as that was one of our founders' greatest fears - that a standing army could usurp a democratic government's authority. A temporary army to defend the frontier was establish in 1791 (after the Constitution was written) but was quickly disbanded in 1796. The point still holds - at the time of the Constitution, men needed to have guns so they could quickly run to defend the new country in the event of an attack. That's not an issue today.
While from a historical (note: not a Constitutional) perspective, the Supreme Court decides the constitutionality of laws, that doesn't mean we all need to agree with everything they say. Assemble a room full of constitutional scholars and ask them about their opinions of Heller, Roe v. Wade, the healthcare ruling, Citizens United, etc. and every single one of them will disagree with the Court on many rulings. Judicial review is another interesting concept as it isn't enshrined anywhere in the beloved Constitution but was instead largely invented by Chief Justice Marshal during Marbury v. Madison. A strict constructionist should actually find the very idea of judicial review horrifying. Look all over the Constitution, it isn't there. But, that's another issue entirely.
Even if we do look at the S.C. as the be all end all for Constitutional debates, which is ridiculous in it of itself, the Court in Heller did acknowledge that some regulations/restrictions are constitutional. I'm not advocating for a complete ban of guns.
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Updated On: 7/20/12 at 01:36 PM
#104
Posted: 7/20/12 at 1:43pm
If anyone reads readit.com there is first have account of what happened from a girl who was there
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#105
Posted: 7/20/12 at 1:46pm
I heard about this earlier today and it is sad news.
#106
Posted: 7/20/12 at 2:32pm
The original intent of the Founding Fathers was to have a civilian militia ready in case of attack. We have a standing army now, so why do people need these weapons? I highly doubt the framers of the Constitution ever guessed people would be buying handguns, semi-automatics and Uzis. We need to do something about the ownership of weapons in this country-how many more innocent people have to die before we realize that it's necessary? Too many should be the answer here, people.
We need to get the politicians to realize that we need some gun control here. I've lived in Europe, where people don't own guns (and police don't have them, either). It's a lot safer. Let's progress a little, shall we? (No wonder they all thought Americans were cowboys.)
We need to get the politicians to realize that we need some gun control here. I've lived in Europe, where people don't own guns (and police don't have them, either). It's a lot safer. Let's progress a little, shall we? (No wonder they all thought Americans were cowboys.)
#107
Posted: 7/20/12 at 2:40pm
"where people don't own guns"
wrong - guns are there it's just that people don't use them against others
wrong - guns are there it's just that people don't use them against others
#108
Posted: 7/20/12 at 2:45pm
We have a standing army now, so why do people need these weapons?
We don't. And despite all the semantics of "arms", there is still the fact that not all hand-held weapons can be legally owned. In some states, you can own a gun, but not a taser. Hell, not even all guns are legal. So why don't we hear all the uproar and outrage over the weapons that are illegal?
We need to do something about the ownership of weapons in this country-how many more innocent people have to die before we realize that it's necessary?
All of them.
I've lived in Europe, where people don't own guns (and police don't have them, either).
Many countries in Europe have police with guns.
We don't. And despite all the semantics of "arms", there is still the fact that not all hand-held weapons can be legally owned. In some states, you can own a gun, but not a taser. Hell, not even all guns are legal. So why don't we hear all the uproar and outrage over the weapons that are illegal?
We need to do something about the ownership of weapons in this country-how many more innocent people have to die before we realize that it's necessary?
All of them.
I've lived in Europe, where people don't own guns (and police don't have them, either).
Many countries in Europe have police with guns.
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#109
Posted: 7/20/12 at 2:53pm
Well this has morphed into a gun law discussion (which is very interesting btw) and I don't want to start another thread about this, so I'll just share this here:
I'm honestly still trying to process how someone who was in med school and a seemingly normal person could just shoot people at point blank in such a methodical fashion. I mean they were literally sitting ducks. Man, I just can't grasp that.
And his apartment is apparently an elaborately booby-trapped and intricately connected "block buster" bomb.
I realize this is all about the weapon now, but this guy was just plain f****ed up.
Just wanted to express my sense of shock at this senseless crime. My heart goes out to everyone in that theater.
I'm honestly still trying to process how someone who was in med school and a seemingly normal person could just shoot people at point blank in such a methodical fashion. I mean they were literally sitting ducks. Man, I just can't grasp that.
And his apartment is apparently an elaborately booby-trapped and intricately connected "block buster" bomb.
I realize this is all about the weapon now, but this guy was just plain f****ed up.
Just wanted to express my sense of shock at this senseless crime. My heart goes out to everyone in that theater.
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#110
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:03pm
#111
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:06pm
psychopath who undoubtedly showed warning signs, based on his behavior and his mother's reaction - probably has had prior contact with counselors or authorities
#112
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:30pm
The man in custody for allegedly killing 12 people at the screening of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colorado told authorities after the shooting that he "was The Joker," NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly said today.
Kelly told reporters the suspect, identified by federal officials as 24-year-old James Holmes, had dyed his hair like The Joker. The Joker is a well-known villain in the fictional Batman universe. The attack took place at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises," the final movie in a Batman trilogy, following "The Dark Knight" in which The Joker was the principal villain.
Two federal law enforcement officials confirmed the details of The Joker costume to ABC News. Police said the weapons used in the massacre include a military-style AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and two handguns.
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Kelly told reporters the suspect, identified by federal officials as 24-year-old James Holmes, had dyed his hair like The Joker. The Joker is a well-known villain in the fictional Batman universe. The attack took place at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises," the final movie in a Batman trilogy, following "The Dark Knight" in which The Joker was the principal villain.
Two federal law enforcement officials confirmed the details of The Joker costume to ABC News. Police said the weapons used in the massacre include a military-style AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and two handguns.
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#113
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:53pm
Military-style AR-15 assault rifle. A rapid fire rifle with a 30 round magazine.
Someone interviewed on the news said "it was just bang bang bang bang, he never had to reload".
I fail to see how a ban on this type of gun is unconstitutional.
Someone interviewed on the news said "it was just bang bang bang bang, he never had to reload".
I fail to see how a ban on this type of gun is unconstitutional.
#114
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:53pm
Many fans are saying that they may not want to go see the movie this weekend because they are worried about copycat shootings. Some are even going to wait for the DVD.
'Dark Knight' Fans Worried About Copycat Theater Shootings, Waiting For DVD (TWEETS)
'Dark Knight' Fans Worried About Copycat Theater Shootings, Waiting For DVD (TWEETS)
#115
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:57pm
No, they're not. They'll go see it.
#116
Posted: 7/20/12 at 4:00pm
I have one friend who is changing plans due to being too scared to go tomorrow. But she is an odd bird. I doubt this will drastically affect how the movie does.
#117
Posted: 7/20/12 at 4:01pm
The Daily Beast did a speculative story on ticket sales today too. Because less than 24 hours later ticket sales are what really matters.
#118
Posted: 7/20/12 at 5:10pm
Someone on Facebook is proposing that Christian Bale dress up in his Batman costume and visit the injured children in the hospital.
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#119
Posted: 7/20/12 at 5:24pm
Yeah, not too terrifying. People suggesting this proves there are a LOT of crazy people in the world. And of course, Bale is insane, so he'll probably do it.
If it hasn't happened yet, I'm surprised no one has yet suggested we "support" The Dark Knight Rises by buying tickets to the film the victims were so excited to see.
If it hasn't happened yet, I'm surprised no one has yet suggested we "support" The Dark Knight Rises by buying tickets to the film the victims were so excited to see.
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#120
Posted: 7/20/12 at 5:25pm
I propose we "support" The Dark Knight Rises by buying tickets to the film the victims were so excited to see.
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#121
Posted: 7/20/12 at 5:28pm
That didn't take long.
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#122
Posted: 7/20/12 at 5:38pm
"According to the nation's citizenry, calls for a mature, thoughtful debate about the role of guns in American society started right on time, and should persist throughout the next week or so. However, the populace noted, the debate will soon spiral out of control and ultimately lead to nothing of any substance, a fact Americans everywhere acknowledged they felt "absolutely horrible" to be aware of."
The Onion pretty much nails it.
The Onion pretty much nails it.
#123
Posted: 7/20/12 at 6:21pm
EJ Dionne on guns and the gag rule. Interesting point about the over-representation of rural voters.
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#124
Posted: 7/20/12 at 6:25pm
From coverage at RollingStone.com:
According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film grossed an estimated $28-$30 million during midnight showings on Friday. It will roll out in 4,400 theaters throughout the country this weekend. "The company is devastated, but everything is moving forward," said a studio executive.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film grossed an estimated $28-$30 million during midnight showings on Friday. It will roll out in 4,400 theaters throughout the country this weekend. "The company is devastated, but everything is moving forward," said a studio executive.
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#125
Posted: 7/20/12 at 7:31pm
The news is very, very upsetting.
I find this uncited comment also very disturbing, even if they might have a point.
"Critics said the death toll could have been minimized if gun owners with concealed carry weapons permits were allowed to bring their weapons to the theater."
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_21122906
I find this uncited comment also very disturbing, even if they might have a point.
"Critics said the death toll could have been minimized if gun owners with concealed carry weapons permits were allowed to bring their weapons to the theater."
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_21122906
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Updated On: 7/20/12 at 07:31 PM
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