Electoral Vote Predictor 2004 — Page 4

Well, I haven't lost hope. This was an expected turn of the tide. It certainly makes things interesting. I'm not going to fret for our nation until I see these polls at the end of October.

But, very disappointing that the high road doesn't seem to work anywhere as well as negative ads.

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Papa - A couple of things come to mind with your thoughts. Do you think Kerry winning would really lead to appeasement? And what exactly has been the effect of our current course that you think has reduced the threat of terrorism here? The thing that would do that - or, at least the thing that's talked about internationally, is a change in direction with Israel - and I don't see that happening.

And I feel you are right, the next four years could be very different. I just think there's a chance they'll be worse, at least from my perspective. I understand your points completely concerning this, and can see it as a possibility. BUT, I'm just not sure that history allows me to say it's a probablility.

d, i disagree about a change in direction regarding israel. the only change in direction the mad hatters of the hate block would champion is the u.s. handing them the tools with which they might finally drive those dirty jews into the sea. until there is a change within the palestinian side in which there is a true embrace of the idea of peaceful coexistence, there will be no peace. as long as palestinian leaders mouth peace to the international community while advocating war to their people and telling them that it is only a matter of time before they return home to a palestine free from the scourge of the vile zionists, there will be no peace. further still, until arabic leaders stop using the issue as a means with which to hide their own failings from their peoples there will be no peace.

could israel be a better partner, sure? but facing a generation thaat has been rasied to hate and see their destiny as a complete destruction of the jewish state i might be a bit less than charitable in my dealings as well (you do recall they were handed a deal giving them 97% of what they wanted during bubba's reign and they spit on it). until there is palestinian leadership that is willing to embrace and espouse a real peace and a peaceful coexistence both in english and arabic there will be no peace in the holy land.

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i think we do have a vested interest in the only true functioning democracy in the middle east. but i don't think that it's our views that will change terrorism. we could condemn israel and level sanctions on them and it would not do a damn bit of good to improve our standing in the arabic world. israel is just the convenient excuse to hate america. israel is just the coinvenient excuse to hate in most of the arabic world and in much of the world at large. nothing short of genocide will appease the hard liners and as we've seen here in our own election, appealing to the basest principles is still pretty damned effective. having seen the jewish people subjected to genocide once, would it truly be right to offer them up as a stop gap in hopes of gathering a few years or decades of peace?

unfortunately, appeasement is seen as weakness forced by violence which will instead of gaining sympathy, merely burn home the lessons that violence works, that the greater the violence the greater the victory. it's capitulation to blackmail.

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Don't worry, MJR, there's still 9 weeks to the election, this is the Repub's week to propogandize, this is to be expected. Bush still has plenty of troubles to come tumbling out of the closet and the environment is ripe for it.

Nevertheless, get involved at whatever level you can, it's going to be close, every vote counts, and every little bit of effort brings aid to Kerry's cause.

this is not gonna help the cause, kids.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm59_20040903.htm

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Here is an interesting perspective--the projected final map on this website:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/fin/sep05p.html

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Hey--what's one more flip flop, right? As long as that flip flop is as venomous as the GOPs--considering that is obviously going to be what it takes for Americans to understand who should be the next President.

And, I posted the final predictor to include it and its changes from now on in this discussion. Not to ruffle your panties, baby. I just hope you understand that this bounce won't last long.

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oh, papa, you know full well that size doesn't matter!! Delivery does, baby! Delivery!

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awww no fun!! See! You Republicans are just plain ol puritans I tells ya!

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d, you swore you were not going to mention my shoes with the shiny buckles! i told you i only wear them on thanksgiving when breaking bread with with them heathen sav -- uh, i mean my native american brothers.

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omg! shut up!

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