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Finished Deathly Hallows? SPOILERS WILL PROBABLY ABOUND.
#301finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:01pm
What exactly was the deal with Teddy????
And by that you mean...?
Ariella
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#302finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:05pm
I missed one of the earlier Dateline interviews, so I assume today's material was far more repetitive than I thought. I wish they could have found an interviewer who wasn't quite so... superficial, I suppose.
#303finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:09pm
Yeah, it's not as though you need a famous interviewer to boost ratings when your subject is J.K. Rowling. It would have been nice of the interview had been done by someone who at least SEEMED interested in the books. She is so bland. And Dateline is so... stylized, too.
Edited because I'm an idiot.
#304finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:09pm
I definitely pumped my fist in triumph when Mrs. Weasley ran screaming "Not my daughter, you bitch!"
And then again at Beallatrix's downfall. The last chapter (The Flaw in the Plan) was just brilliant.
#305finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:19pm
It was Meredith Viera, actually, but they're both pretty bland.
I was just frustrated at the overall presentation. I have to think that there was a lot more to the interview than they showed, and the time devoted to "SPOILER WARNINGS" and other trivialities was extremely frustrating. If you haven't finished the book yet, you deserve to be spoiled if you're naive enough to watch an interview with the author expecting not to hear what happens.
#306finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:21pmThat's what I get for sleeping 9 hours in the past two days. But case in point, in a way.
Ariella
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#307finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:44pmThe spoiler warnings just made the presentation obnoxious. We don't need a little snitch buzzing around to employ good judgement. I found the interviewer (Meredith Viera, you said?) frustrating because she clearly had no real interest/understanding for the books, yet attempted to portray herself as engagingly "in" with Harry Potter.
#308finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:57pmI am watching Dateline and it is not on. No harry potter. Some drug thing.
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#309finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 9:58pm
I missed the Dateline interview, but taped it (I'll watch it tomorrow, probably). The interviewer was really that bad? There are probably tons of other people they could use, who are actually interested in the books, to interview JKR.
Fan Q&A's might be good.
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Updated On: 7/29/07 at 09:58 PM
Ariella
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#310finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:00pmThe HP segment was just the first hour of Dateline. The second hour was some piece on drugs. It was fun to hear Rowling talk, but the format was altogether uncompelling.
ElphieDefiesGravity
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#311finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:21pm
So, I'm rereading it, and some questions have arisen...
First of all, is the thing with freeing house elves only through clothing, or with anything that a person wears? Because I couldn't figure out of Kreacher was freed and just stayed on because they were nice to him, or if he wasn't freed at all. I think that he wasn't freed, because that would be too dangerous for the trio, but I wasn't sure.
Was using the word "Voldemort" only Tabooed in the outdoors? If not, why couldn't the death eaters find Harry, Ron, and Hermoine when they were in Grimmauld Place? Was it because of the enchantments? Hermoine put enchantments on their tent, yet they were still found...
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#312finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:23pmi couldn't believe it when voldemort turned out to be harry's father and that ron was really a girl and harry's twin.
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#313finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:39pm
I believe House Elves can only be freed with clothing.
As for Grimmauld Place, the curses around it, and the fact that only those who where told by Voldemort knew where it was, stopped the Death Eaters from entering. However, I believe they knew Harry was in the general area, as they had camped out in front of the house for awhile.
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ElphieDefiesGravity
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#314finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:54pmTrue, but weren't the watching every place they thought he could be? Also, weren't they waiting for him in case he showed up?
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#315finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 10:58pm
The enchantment on Grimauld Place was much stonger than the enchantment on the tent, the Fidelius Charm is one of the strongest bits of magic in the books.
It is only clothing that frees House Elves, which is why it was the sock and not the diary that freed Dobby back in CoS.
I really loved the book, it was really more than I expected it to be.
The deaths, the darkness, the subtlety of how some characters repayed their debts.
JKR's interview on why she killed off Tonks and Lupin means my theory on that was spot on as well.
Also Albus Dumbledore and Severus Snape turned out to be two of the best developed characters in the fantasy canon, that was spectacular.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#316finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 11:14pmWhat was your theory?
#317finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 11:24pm
It wasn't all that, many people thought it, but it did turn out to be right.
In order for the return of Voldemort to have the same resonance it was necessary to have someone who was really put into the same position as Harry last time. War and evil choices leaves children orphaned and it becomes part of the responsibility of others to care for them.
JKR-
“I wanted to kill parents,” she said, quickly adding that sounded “terrible” to say. “I wanted there to be an echo of what happened to Harry just to show the absolute evil of what Voldemort's doing.”
The theme resonates throughout the books with the deaths of Sirius Black and Albus Dumbledore, Harry’s flawed father figures. And that’s why in the Battle of Hogwarts, Remus Lupin, Harry’s only remaining father figure, and Nymphadora Tonks die, in the process creating another orphan in their son Teddy.
“I think one of the most devastating things about war is the children left behind,” Rowling said. “As happened in the first war when Harry's left behind, I wanted us to see another child left behind. And it made it very poignant that it was their newborn son.”
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#318finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/29/07 at 11:47pmI really liked that decision, and as much as I loved Lupin, I wasn't at all upset that they didn't get more of a "send-off." I actually thought that the happenstance way that Harry found out about their deaths added to the emotional resonance and, again, the feeling that it could have been anyone, which is clearly what Rowling was going for. It's fiction, and in fiction you have the power to make anything exciting and event-like, but the way the books are written it's pretty clear that we're intended to get a pretty realistic feel for what a war is really like. And in real life, there aren't always dramatic death scenes; sometimes it's arbitrary. Harry's reaction upon seeing Lupin and Tonks' bodies and his exchange with Lupin's spirit in the forest were more than enough of an acknowledgment of the characters' importance, I thought.
#319finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 12:02am
I agree completely.
It added so much that we found out as Harry did, and he wasn't there to see everyone he was close to die. It was so much more real, and for me that made it even more effective.
It was for that same reason that I loved there were so few "showdowns", no Fenrir vs. Lupin or Weasley vs. Malfoy or Neville vs. Bellatrix. It was only Harry and Voldemort who had to show down in that way, and I loved it.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#320finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 12:11am
But they're deaaaaaaaaaaad.
*sniffle* You'd think that after a week I'd be used to the idea. It still sucks.
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#321finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 12:38amI thought it was interesting how much Lupin came back in the last book. He's really only a presence in books 4-6, but he's so wonderful in book three that you can't help but like him quite a bit. Then in book seven she really developed him a lot. Poor Lupin.
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#322finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 8:35am
I love Lupin. I was upset that he died, but I had a feeling that, with all the Marauders gone, he'd go too.
There weren't a lot of showdowns, but awesome moments. Like Mrs. Weasley vs. Bellatrix and Neville with Nagini. I was surprised Neville wasn't killed on the spot, but I guess Voldemort was more distracted by Harry at that point.
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#323finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 9:21amIt was because everything became insanely chaotic at the same time Neville acted, Voldemort got distracted in the action.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#324finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 9:33am
Good thing, too. If Neville had died I would've been shocked.
Did anyone in Harry's tear at Hogwarts die? I don't think so...
EDIT: Nevermind, Crabbe did. But he was the only one, I believe.
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Updated On: 7/30/07 at 09:33 AM
#325finished deathly hallows? spoilers here
Posted: 7/30/07 at 10:01am
I'm rereading, and I can't stop thinking about what we find out about Dumbledore or how to evaluate his choices. I'm intrigued that he used people as, essentially, pawns in the plan to bring down Voldemort. It certainly feels that Snape was ill-used, or at least was convinced of that fact up until he died. He nurtured Harry knowing (or at the very least, strongly suspecting) that his death was the only way to ensure Voldemort's downfall. I'd be rather interested to know how long Dumbledore knew that Harry was a Horcrux (or the general idea, if not specifics). From the beginning? Chamber of Secrets? Horcruxes aren't mentioned until the sixth book, but Dumbledore understood what Riddle's diary as even then, so surely he guessed, particularly when Harry possessed abilities that weren't his. It seems likely enough that, from day one, all of Dumbledore's interactions with Harry were in that knowledge. I could almost see Dumbledore's relationship with Harry as showing a rather masochistic streak -- he punishes himself for the crimes he must commit in the name of the greater plan by letting himself get close enough to Harry to feel pain on his behalf. Of course, I think that's reading in too much and it was a "mistake;" doesn't he say something to Harry along the lines of, "I charge anyone who has watched you as I have not to care about you"?
Rambling aside, the point is, I find myself sort of unable to move past that feeling of betrayal that is part of what makes "The Forest Again" such a moving chapter. I think that we're meant to, but even in the light of the revelations in the following chapter, Dumbledore still doesn't get off the hook. Yes, he was pretty sure that Harry wouldn't actually die, so his callous words to Snape on the subject of Harry's death probably aren't reflective of his actual thoughts. Still, though, the reason that Harry survives is a mistake on Voldemort's part that didn't even happen until the fourth book, and I can't shake the feeling that Dumbledore's logic regarding Harry's death would still stand if that loophole hadn't been created. And anyway, why DID he have to present the plan so callously to Snape and, by extension, Harry? It seems unnecessarily cruel. Was there some value in Harry thinking that he'd been betrayed? Harry had to believe that he was walking to his death, but it seems that he could have believed it knowing that he had Dumbledore's sympathy and regrets. Perhaps it was just a narrative choice in order to allow for a more dramatic reversal with what we find out in "King's Cross," but I'd be so fascinated to know if there's logic behind it.
ETA: Boo, limbo. RE: Neville, it specifically says that Harry casts a Shield Charm between Neville and Voldemort from under the invisibility cloak, and then everything goes crazy.
Updated On: 7/30/07 at 10:01 AM
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