First photo of Rihanna, post-attack- Page 2

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:29am

"I don't condone domestic violence but couples have fought since time immemorial. I'm reluctant to rush to judgment without a full account because acts of violence can be provoked as well as random or planned. There's no escaping human nature."

Yeah. You've said so many stupid things it's impossible to rank them, but this one is WAY WAY WAY up the list.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:36am

Yeah, I was gonna say, if this thread is indication, he's already getting sympathy.

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:40am

"because acts of violence can be provoked as well as random or planned. There's no escaping human nature."

oh dear-that's like saying a woman is provoking a guy to rape her because she wore tight clothing.

there is no excuse for physical violence. I don't care what Rhianna may have said or done.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:41am

It's sort of like excusing someone for sexually abusing another because they were sexually abused as a child.

[PiraguaGuy2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:45am

...And yet that very defense holds a lot of weight in today's legal system.

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 11:47am

^ Yes, it does, unfortunately. That's why I don't think he'll do jail time.

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:12pm

"Ed Loos, a junior at Lake Forest High School, said a common reaction among students to Chris Brown's alleged attack on Rihanna goes something like this: "Ha! She probably did something to provoke it."

In Chicago, Sullivan High School sophomore Adeola Matanmi has heard the same.

"People said, 'I would have punched her around too,' " Matanmi said. "And these were girls!"

As allegations of battery swirl around the famous couple, experts on domestic violence say the response from teenagers just a few years younger shows the desperate need to educate this age group about dating violence."

1 in 10 teens suffer abuse in romantic relationships

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:15pm

i called the mrs and told her she better watch her s*** or she'll be making this ho look like beyonce. then i heard her sharpening the knife. damn it's tough to live with no sleep.

[javero]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:37pm

And there are those who feel that any woman who deliberately aborts a fetus growing within her and a medical practitioner who assists should be charged with capital murder, but I digress.

Despite the fact that some people have been deluded into believing that life guarantees our personal safety there is always the off chance that someone somewhere in some situation will whup our azzes. When we walk into someone's fist no amount of latte liberal pc-speak is any solace while we're under attack.

I don't have insight into Chris' state of mind when he made a punching bag out of Rihanna nor do I know if she did something crazy beforehand that could have enraged him. Crimes of passion are still some of the most heinous on record.

I lost a female family member years ago under somewhat similar circumstances. I miss my cousin sorely to this date but she made the decision to try to stick it out with a nice guy, at the start of the relationship, who got derailed by illicit drugs which she introduced him to.

I gave up on being judge, jury and executioner years ago where relationships gone bad are concerned.

Updated On: 2/20/09 at 12:37 PM

[KrissySim]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:43pm

"I'm reluctant to rush to judgment without a full account because acts of violence can be provoked as well as random or planned.

There is such a thing as anger management. Physical assault, provoked or unprovoked is still a crime. The only exception is if one is defending one self from assault and feels in danger. That is self defense. Battering a person is not self defense.

I have insight into Chris' state of mind when he made a punching bag out of Rihanna

Please, share this insight. (Thanks for the correction. It doesn't take much insight to see that a crime was committed against a woman here.)
Updated On: 2/20/09 at 12:43 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:43pm

I don't think a judge nor jury are necessary to recognize that physical violence is wrong no matter what.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 12:58pm

there's no excuse for a man to hit a woman. i don't care if she's that wrestler chyna and she's all drunk and up in your shtuff. under the proper circumstances,women can hit women and men can hit men. there is no cross gender slugging. one of you chicks lambast she who takes the wolf knot for me.

so let it be written, so let it be done.

all that said, if you hit someone other than to defend yourself from an immediate attack, you better expect assault charges. just because it's right don't make it legal. i really hope they'll let the martial arts guy who wants to fight chris go at him. that'd be a creative sentence. i like those. failing that i hope he does some time in the general population and meets a rihanna fan inside. see how tough he is with someone who can hit back.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:02pm

And there are those who feel that any woman who deliberately aborts a fetus growing within her and a medical practitioner who assists should be charged with capital murder, but I digress.

So, pro-life people don't beat their wives? Is that what you're saying?

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:11pm

"Despite the fact that some people have been deluded into believing that life guarantees our personal safety there is always the off chance that someone somewhere in some situation will whup our azzes"

I'm not sure if people really believe that life guarantees personal safety. Anything can happen any day to us-we can get hit by a vehicle, be in a plane or train crash, have an accident inside or outside our own homes while doing chores, etc. you get my drift.

However, I have to disagree with you in that I do think most of us are not expecting to be beaten up by our lovers or anyone somewhere in some situation will whup our azzez. If we are, then that beater has committed a crime. There are no two ways about it.

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:18pm

SO what "State of mind" justifies physical abuse? What could she have said or done that would justify being beaten? PLEASE cite specifics.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:20pm

Maybe she said she was pro-choice?

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:21pm

Or that she preferred Bernadette?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:26pm

Maybe he couldn't get "ella ella ella" out of his head.

[javero]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:38pm

"there is no cross gender slugging"

I agree in large part but have no way of knowing that she didn't strike first. If anyone here does, please share.

However, I haven't fully reconciled my thoughts on the topic where women in combat positions are concerned.

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:42pm

"I agree in large part but have no way of knowing that she didn't strike first. If anyone here does, please share."

I really don't understand your way of thinking. So if she did in fact strike first, then it's her fault that he beat the crap out of her?

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:49pm

Look. Someone hits you, call the police. IF they won't stop, get away. If you can't get away, try to restrain them. "They hit me first" only works till you're 5. Grownups can't use that defense, especially physically fit young men who beat the woman they love unconscious.

If you want a list of when it's OK to hit someone, here it is (Feel free to print it out and carry it with you):






















Got that?


Updated On: 2/20/09 at 01:49 PM

[tazber]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:52pm

Good post joe, but I disagree with #4 and #11.

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:55pm

Say that again Taz and I will have no choice but to beat you silly.

[javero]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:55pm

"I really don't understand your way of thinking. So if she did in fact strike first, then it's her fault that he beat the crap out of her?"

Yes, if she struck first, then his reaction was provoked.

Jane--you will probably loath me for sharing this and please forgive my lack of political correctness but there's an old saying down south that "you can't whup a man's azz just because you don't like him". A variant of it is "don't tickle the tiger's tail".

Updated On: 2/20/09 at 01:55 PM

[Kasie]

Posted: 2/20/09 at 1:57pm

"Yes, if she struck first, then his reaction was provoked."

That's just wrong on so many levels. I'm going to go throw up now.