How Republicans Support the President

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 3:57pm

Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia, a war without a single killed in action:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 4:00pm

PalJoey,

Brilliant.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 4:03pm

But but but...oh, hell, it's hardly worth even saying here, is it?

Except I would like to post this:

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 5:13pm

Any Republicans care to comment?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:09pm

ok, not much time here, can't answer in detail, but i'll say trent lott shouldn't even be in the senate (he should have stepped down after the strom storm and let haley appoint a new senator), delay's a bucket o' sh*t and a mean one, neither scarborough nor hannity has ever known when to shut up and i agree with karen and believe that there are all of those things here. they're just not as clear cut as one, two, three.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:12pm

Papa - my friend in 1987 turned away from your party. I think it is now time for you to join us!!!!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:18pm

nah, i may despise elements of my party (and i do) but i still agree with them more than i take the other side. every party needs its iconoclasts.

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:21pm

I feel the winds of change. It happens!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:23pm

and as my father is fond of reminding me so does something else that starts with sh-

[brdlwyr]

Posted: 8/17/05 at 11:24pm

it

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:03am

Well, now isn't this thread ENLIGHTENING.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:14am

Quod erat demonstrandum: There is no integrity left in the Republican Party.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:17am

Which is fine, because people will point out and have pointed out that there is no integrity in the Democratic party. Unfortunately W, the uniter not the divider, PROMISED to restore dignity and integrity to the White House.

And THAT is one Mission Unaccomplished.

[Hanna from Hamburg]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 7:28am

yes, dignity from someone who always says "NUCULAR," yet really wants to drop a NUCLEAR bomb.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 8:00am

Not to mention the statewide Republican scandal in OHIO, where the governor is about to be sentenced to jail for 2 years...

Updated On: 8/18/05 at 08:00 AM

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 9:17am

I doubt he'll get jail time over golf receipts.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 10:08am

Oh, come on. There was a lot more evidence against Taft, but these were the ones that could be proved. That's what prosecutors do.

The prosecutor says he expects more serious felony charges to come from ongoing investigations, against other Republican officials.

The Ohio Republican party operates under an unparalleled Culture of Corruption from the top down.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 10:12am

Oh, the OHIO repub's are gonna get blasted out of state, but...I'm not sure if Taft is gonna get actual jail time...I predict he gets a slap on the wrist...and a HUGE political loss...well...if we're lucky.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 10:24am

PJ, where did you find that list of quotes? Did you get it from a liberal talking points memo? Glass houses.

I don't agree with much of this administration, but much of what is copied and pasted here, is so far beyond rational.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 10:31am

oh ckeaton, I think that was PJ's point--you can't turn it on him. The fact is the GOPs have been whining and crying about how mean and this and that the Dems have been when they were just the same, if not worse, during Clinton's presidency.

Same sh!t, different day.

Except things are grim now whereas Clinton triumphed despite.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 10:38am

I don't see your point, CK.

Are Republicans asking for Democrats to support the war effort? Yes.

Did Republicans support the war effort during the Clinton administration? No.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 11:43am

I guess my point is this...
PJ, you often attack the very few right-leaning...


(and I pause to emphasise the word "leaning", because I don't think that any of us regulars are fetus throwing, gay-bashing, conservative nut jobs)

...members of this board for "parroting GOP talking points". I find this questionable since 90% of your original posts are copy and paste jobs from liberal publications.

It's impossible to argue with the point that you are asserting in this post. The only argument that I can possibly muster up is that just about all politicians are forced to be hypocritical idiots.

But I'm not here to argue the initial post. I'm just taking us on a temporary thread jack to finally speak up about something that I see as a dash of hypocrisy on this board.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:00pm

CK,

Just because the quotes were pulled from magazines you don't subscribe to, doesn't make them false. It's another blatant form of flip-flopping by the Republicans.

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:04pm

Taft pleaded no contest, and the judge sentenced him with a $4,000 fine.

Not quite the jail sentence we'd hoped for...but, maybe more scandal will come out for him. In the meantime, I'm sure he's getting off easy compared to the other OH Repubs.

ckeaton, I don't get your response to this post...I know your point is to point out hypocritical people, but...I don't get where you see hypocrisy located.

Even if the posting is a cut/paste, that doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it easier to post than a rewording of the thought. The problem with the GOPers is that they have no original way for saying their thoughts...instead, they rely on spoon-fed soundbytes that middle America can remember easily. While PJ may cut and paste, there is no mantra. PJ almost without exception goes on to explain the post in more detail further down the thread. Using PJ's own words. No soundbytes.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 8/18/05 at 12:12pm

For those of you newer members...
PJ and papalovesmambo have been bristling at each other for longer than most of you have been alive.

PJ posts an article copied and pasted, papa responds in his unique manner, and PJ screams that papa is parroting GOP talking points distributed by Rove.

The point is, accusing a respondent of being unoriginal and "parroting" prepared material when that post is in RESPONSE to a COPIED ARTICLE is a bit hypocritical.

I can see the value of both posters and opinions. I'm just suggesting that the "You got that from the GOP 'Talking Points' so it's an invalid point" argument a little silly.

If you widen the focus a bit, you'll see this too.