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#351LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 10:45am
I am in the same camp as Luscious. That episode has completely converted me and now I'm a total fan of the show. Also "Everyday is Like Sunday" is one of the best songs!
I also agree with HorseTears because I hated "Weekend" and never understood everyone's obsession with the movie. All the talk of "this is the most accurate depiction of gay men in film" didn't ring true for me but this episode of "Looking" most certainly did. I'm pretty sure we've all had the time where we hook up with a guy, blow off work and spend the entire day with him even if we've just met and that person isn't our soul mate in the end. Maybe a few tears were shed throughout because of resurfacing memories of loves gone by.
All of the conversations were accurate from the realization that the person you're with hasn't seen one of your favorite movies although it's a classic to the stories of your first/coming out to your parents/etc. The only thing that I've honestly never thought of and I wonder if anyone else has is whether or not my parents would think/be upset if I was a bottom.
I was completely blown away by this episode and hope the rest of the season doesn't veer too much back toward the pilot territory.
"Pardon my prior Mcfee slip. I know how to spell her name. I just don't know how to type it." -Talulah
#353LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 1:02pm
I'm pretty sure we've all had the time where we hook up with a guy, blow off work and spend the entire day with him even if we've just met and that person isn't our soul mate in the end.
Maybe, but how many of us have swallowed before the first date? I'm not slut shaming, I'm just with Patrick on that one. I know it's supposed to be safe, but it's not something I would do with a guy I just met.
Still, there was some good stuff in that scene and I'm going to echo previous comments about the "bottom shame" scene which I'm not sure I've ever seen discussed on television before this. It's interesting that they're "going there" with this show. I won't spoil anything from the preview for HorseTears, but I will say that I too was a bit disappointed in the subject matter for the next episode. That is a "going there" topic I wish they wouldn't, but I guess we'll see how they deal with it. I hope I don't end up hating that character.
#354LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 1:45pm
Maybe, but how many of us have swallowed before the first date? I'm not slut shaming, I'm just with Patrick on that one.
Well my personal experience is from the other side of that. You give warning and the other person doesn't stop so it happens.
And I'm not being racist here so let's just stop that before it begins but the only time I've heard of anything resembling "bottom shaming" is from Latin guys. It's my understanding that some Latin guys only top because that doesn't make them gay, only bottoming means you're gay.
"Pardon my prior Mcfee slip. I know how to spell her name. I just don't know how to type it." -Talulah
broadwayguy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/18/03
#355LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 2:23pm
Re: Bottom Shaming.
Clyde, I almost wish I could agree... It isn't just Latin men. I know a number of gay men, of all stripes who refuse to bottom. I've actually asked follow up questions and it really is true, that a good percentage of "total tops" (not all, mind you) have issues with feeling emasculated by bottoming. It's very sad to me. I am not saying you should or should not enjoy bottoming, as well have our preferences, but it should never be because you feel emasculated. There is one VERY white self-professed "total top" I see around when I go out in Hells Kitchen and if you ever were to have a conversations with him about that topic or see the types of boys he chases, it is screamingly obvious it's an emasculation issue.
Re: Slut shaming / swallowing.
1. Slut Shaming, in general, is tacky. I have no problem with people enjoying sex and will not shame anyone for that, but it is also a bit bothersome to see boys who "enjoy" sex not because of the act itself, but because it is the easiest way to find approval and feel desired. There is a fine, but apparent, line.
2. Always warn. Have a conversation before anything happens. If both agree to no warning and/or to where it "finishes", go right ahead. If that conversation does not happen, you need to offer warning. On the flip side, if you know what you are doing and you are good at what you are doing, it is very apparent when you have him reaching the "final approach" and you should prepare yourself accordingly. If you have never figured out the tell-tale signs, then go back to class.
I actually really liked the episode overall. Still not sold on the show and this one felt a bit more like a low budget webisode, but I was okay with that.. it was a touch more organic. Groff receiving oral was ridiculously hot, as an added bonus.
#357LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 3:45pm
Echoing the love for this episode. Wonderful.
As for the next episode- I don't know if it pissed me off. It was just a small teaser... but it seems to indicate something that's been hinted at through the reason about that character.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#358LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 4:04pm
It's definitely not just Latin/Mediterranean/South American men. There can be a connection between machismo and not-bottoming in many cultures, from Eastern European to Anglo-Saxon-prep-school. Sometimes it has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity or culture. It may simply have to do with complicated feelings about masculinity and self-image and a fear of feminization that can border on misogyny.
What I like about the writing of this show is that it does NOT try to make the characters the definitive word on any of these topics. Rather, it depicts situations in which the characters' actions reveal their contradictions. Just like in real life.
#359LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 5:11pm
Nice recap. I didn't even realize that Richie was giving more than oral until I read the recap. I guess I need to watch it again now.
http://www.vulture.com/m/2014/02/looking-recap-season-1-patrick-richie.html
Updated On: 2/17/14 at 05:11 PM
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#360LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 5:51pm
I'm learning a lot. On the show AND this thread. I'm not sure I ever wanted to know this much....
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#361LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 6:02pm
AVClub gave it their first A (though they've liked the series all the way through.) Good review: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/looking-for-the-future-107072
I don't have much more to add, although I also went "ugh" at one bit of the preview, though it didn't seem all that surprising for me.
And I do think there's definitely "bottom shame" and a worry from some guys that their parents (probably dads especially) would think worse of them imagining they just like to get ****ed rather than the other way around.
#364LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 6:17pm
The way I see it, "bottom shame" is the same thing as the proliferation of "masc for masc" or "no femmes" etc. on Grindr and all the related websites and apps. So many gay men value being perceived as "masculine." So why would they be open about wanting to be ****ed? In our society, it's an emasculating concept. It marks them as not being men. And it's harmful for everyone.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 2/17/14 at 06:17 PM
#365LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 6:38pmAbsolutely. And I think this goes far back no matter what culture. Many people bring up Ancient Greek customs about men having sex with men when showing that it's a natural thing that's always existed (something I have some issue with when they actually examine what most of hose socially accepted male pairings actually were like) but there again, the image portrayed is that the boy is the one who's penetrated, not the man.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#367LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 7:00pmAnd to address the parental concern: NO parent really wants to think of their children (m or f) as sexual, yet alone thinking about precisly HOW they are satisfying that need.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#370LOOKING
Posted: 2/17/14 at 10:42pm
I just watched and hated episode 5 and came on here and saw all the wishing that "Looking" were longer but episode 5 felt like it was never going to end ever in the history of the universe because it was just going to continue to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and never get to a quick cut to the credits because there was just so much to be said I realllllllllllllllllly don't like the way the actor plays the boyfriend despite how much I liked what Groff did in the scenes but that stupid mumbly boyfriend was reacting like a wooden plank and I just hate him. I suppose every series viewer has a favorite and a least favorite episode and I hope Looking never does an episode even worse than that one.
The only thing that would have been more hellish for me to sit through would be an entire episode with nothing but scenes with the boss. I hate him most of all and the name Russell Tovey means nothing to me because I guess I have never seen anything he has been in.
Episode 6 has to be better because there are more characters than this one man plus log episode.
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FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#374LOOKING
Posted: 2/18/14 at 3:18am
Namo - you can't force it. You either connect with it or you don't. We've all had those experiences in which our friends or peers are wildly enthusiastic about a show or song or book that seems like a total dud to us even if all the ingredients look like they're there.
BTW, did anyone else feel like moving to SF after this most recent ep?
Okay, I'm going to jump out of this thread until Sunday so that you all can chat about whatever you saw in the previews for next week's ep. I'm gonna try and keep it a surprise.
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